[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":619},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-4804690":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":5,"line_source":6,"title":7,"url":8,"domain":8,"maker":9,"posted_at":10,"year":11,"points":12,"comments":13,"rank_in_year":14,"shown_in_year":15,"top":16,"tier":17,"category":18,"subcategory":19,"format":20,"keywords":21,"reception":25,"sentiment":26,"stance_mix":27,"scored_comments":32,"aspects":33,"strip":44,"post_text":46,"what":47,"said":86,"maker_in_thread":265,"shape":277,"grid":282,"attempts":582,"same_week":583,"maker_shows":38,"maker_hidden":610,"reader_version":611,"card":612},"4804690","A personal Gmail","title","Show HN: A personal Gmail",null,"jubari",1353338720,2012,127,103,152,1677,10,"notable","productivity","email client","web_app",[22,23,19,24],"webmail","gmail alternative","inbox","debated",0.045,{"positive":28,"neutral":29,"mixed":30,"critical":31},19,13,9,15,56,{"idea":34,"execution":36,"design":39,"pricing":42,"privacy":43},{"positive":16,"critical":35},7,{"positive":37,"critical":38},0,1,{"positive":40,"critical":41},5,3,{"positive":41,"critical":38},{"positive":38,"critical":41},[38,37,37,37,37,37,41,41,40,41,45,37,37,41,41,40,40,38,41,38,41,38,40,41,45,38,40,41,40,41,41,40,40,41,38,41,38,40,38,40],4,"Hey guys,\n\nso I've been building my own Gmail for the past few weeks and would like your feedback.\n\nFind a preview here: http:\u002F\u002Fi.imgur.com\u002FUDz2y.png\n(Mouse cursor is over the \"REPLY\" button, to show the hover-effect)\n\nThe app you see in the screenshot is what I've been using in the past week and it starts to feel better than the gmail interface.\n\nJust a quick explanation:\n\n- It's conversation-based like Gmail.\n- Conversations with new emails are on the left.\n- Conversations may be labeled ... based on predefined filters or manually.\n- Every conversation stays in the left sidebar until marked ",{"problem":48,"audience":8,"pricing":8,"motivation":54,"time_to_build":58,"stack":62,"openness":83,"stage":84,"team_size":85},{"value":49,"source":50,"evidence":51},"Reading and organizing email in a Gmail alternative with pin and done workflow","maker",[52],{"id":53},"post",{"value":55,"source":50,"evidence":56},"Maker wanted a better way to read and organize mail than Gmail",[57],{"id":53},{"value":59,"source":50,"evidence":60},"A few weeks",[61],{"id":53},[63,67,71,75,79],{"value":64,"source":50,"evidence":65},"Ruby on Rails",[66],{"id":53},{"value":68,"source":50,"evidence":69},"PostgreSQL",[70],{"id":53},{"value":72,"source":50,"evidence":73},"Mailgun",[74],{"id":53},{"value":76,"source":50,"evidence":77},"Memcache",[78],{"id":53},{"value":80,"source":50,"evidence":81},"Heroku",[82],{"id":53},"unknown","beta","solo",{"praise":87,"objections":115,"requests":168,"questions":220,"alternatives":229},[88,104],{"value":89,"source":90,"evidence":91},"Clean, professional UI design","commenter",[92,96,100],{"id":93,"by":94,"text":95},"4805682","canttestthis","How did you make the layout? Graphics design is my biggest weakness, all my webapps look like the design is made in Paint. And yours is so clean, the fonts are good, everything…",{"id":97,"by":98,"text":99},"4805031","driverdan","It looks quite nice. I'd pay for an alternative to Gmail. Here are my suggestions \u002F needs. * Shortcut keys, preferably the same as Gmail but customizable * Custom domains * Both…",{"id":101,"by":102,"text":103},"4805043","MojoJolo","I will use it because of the UI (but for free). I love the simplicity. I'm also happy that you are using your own product. It's a good start that you satisfy needs with it. If it…",{"value":105,"source":90,"evidence":106},"Open sourcing it would add value",[107,111],{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},"4804946","hyphyphyph","Open source the app. There's a huge lacking in good web based open source mail clients. Fill it. Offer a pay-for premium hosted version. Have us pay for service, not software. If…",{"id":112,"by":113,"text":114},"4825369","tUrG0n","Open source it. There is more value in it. You'll attract devs who want to use it and give back to it. Is that you btw: https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Fjubari :)",[116,135,146,157],{"value":117,"source":90,"evidence":118},"Gmail's spam filtering, Android integration and infrastructure are hard to match",[119,123,127,131],{"id":120,"by":121,"text":122},"4804913","maratd","> Would you even consider using the app, in case I'd make a commercial product out of it? No. I use Google because of the stuff that happens in the background, that I never see.…",{"id":124,"by":125,"text":126},"4805286","overshard","This app looks incredible but I have absolutely no interest in using a Gmail look alike without all the Gmail features aka android integration, amazing spam blocking, etc, etc,…",{"id":128,"by":129,"text":130},"4805251","AdamGibbins","The reason I'm using GMail (as opposed to FastMail) is primarily their terrific integration with Android. The excellent GMail app, the contact and calendaring syncing. I'd really…",{"id":132,"by":133,"text":134},"4810383","rileyt","This interface looks really good, but as previously stated, there are a lot of behind the scenes features (security, spam filter and keyboard shortcuts) that keep me with gmail.",{"value":136,"source":90,"evidence":137},"Looks too much like Gmail",[138,142],{"id":139,"by":140,"text":141},"4804931","davedx","I've had similar thoughts to you, and it looks like a good start. However, for me, one of the main reasons I'm dissatisfied with GMail these days is the clutter and UX.…",{"id":143,"by":144,"text":145},"4805061","heavymark","To me, this looks like a reskinned Gmail. If it were that, then yes I would use it as it's an improvement over the current layout, albeit marginal. However, there are no ads…",{"value":147,"source":90,"evidence":148},"Trust in a small company with email data",[149,153],{"id":150,"by":151,"text":152},"4805019","sspiff","This looks really well done, but as a consumer I wouldn't trust a small-timer (no offense) with something as ubiquitous as my email. As a company looking to self-host, however,…",{"id":154,"by":155,"text":156},"4805157","heliostatic","I do pay $40\u002Fyear for Fastmail because I like having a service I pay for that is separate from anything Google offers. I still use Gmail day to day, but the new Fastmail…",{"value":158,"source":90,"evidence":159},"Commenters would not pay for email",[160,164],{"id":161,"by":162,"text":163},"4804930","Goranek","Awesome UI, but I wouldn't pay for it. Email is and should be free",{"id":165,"by":166,"text":167},"4805479","nachteilig","Nice design, but I don't see myself paying for it.",[169,185,193,204,212],{"value":170,"source":90,"evidence":171},"Open source or self-hosted version",[172,173,177,181],{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},{"id":174,"by":175,"text":176},"4805104","hchinchilla","I would use it if I could host it on my own server and run it on top of Gmail using IMAP and Postgres as a cache. I could pay 30-50$ for it, but I think this would be even more…",{"id":178,"by":179,"text":180},"4804902","hosay123","I'd consider paying for a clone of Gmail classic, but their new UI sucks IMHO. Another compelling feature I'm looking for is the ability to self-host. It's clear that many…",{"id":182,"by":183,"text":184},"4806288","general_failure","I would use this if you gave me a product that I can use to run my own mail (and not a service)",{"value":186,"source":90,"evidence":187},"Custom domain support",[188,189],{"id":97,"by":98,"text":99},{"id":190,"by":191,"text":192},"4804906","peteforde","Here are the first three questions: 1. Is this something you host, or something I host? 2. How are you handling searching existing mail, tech wise? 3. Does this start to slow…",{"value":194,"source":90,"evidence":195},"Strong spam filtering",[196,200],{"id":197,"by":198,"text":199},"4805451","greenwalls","Very cool idea. I'd like to use the app but my main concern is spam blocking. Maybe you can partner with someone like Cloudmark? I think Cloudmark has an API or something you can…",{"id":201,"by":202,"text":203},"4825259","swastik","I would definitely try it out if something can match Google's spam filters and search. 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Its slow, buggy, now has a bad user interface and is generally not what it used to be. It was awesome when it was first…",{"value":251,"source":90,"evidence":252},"Sparrow",[253,257],{"id":254,"by":255,"text":256},"4805416","bdiallo","Hi, I haven't seen all of your user interface to give my opinion, but I know that Sparrow (sparrowmailapp.com) had a nice one. They've even been bought by Google. My 2 cents",{"id":143,"by":144,"text":145},{"value":259,"source":90,"evidence":260},"Rackspace email",[261],{"id":262,"by":263,"text":264},"4804911","ommunist","If you can give a trial, and nice transition option, as well as backup option to mbox format, I'd pay around the same rackspace is asking for managed email. [Added on a second…",{"comments":266,"answered":41,"key":267},16,[268,271,274],{"id":269,"text":270},"4805007","Spot on. The app currently is quite egocentric, how I would like to read\u002Forganize my mails. If there is a small niche, who'd like to work the same way AND pay for it, I'd…",{"id":272,"text":273},"4805029","Haha, thanks for your frank words. I actually like your idea for 2 reasons: 1) OpenSource would definitely improve the quality of the app while still maintaining a way to profit…",{"id":275,"text":276},"4805406","I already backup all incoming mail as JSON on my Dropbox and plan to do the same periodically as MBOX. I'm not entirely sure what to do with the JSON, though. 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