[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":899},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-48223362":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":29,"sentiment":30,"stance_mix":31,"scored_comments":16,"aspects":36,"strip":45,"post_text":49,"what":50,"said":75,"maker_in_thread":161,"shape":170,"grid":175,"attempts":855,"same_week":862,"maker_shows":173,"maker_hidden":891,"reader_version":892,"card":893},"48223362","Freenet","A peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps","title","Show HN: Freenet, a peer-to-peer platform for decentralized apps","https:\u002F\u002Ffreenet.org\u002F","freenet.org","sanity",1779374097,2026,390,271,92,4366,3,"legend","infrastructure","peer-to-peer network platform","desktop_app",[24,25,26,27,28],"peer-to-peer","decentralized apps","webassembly","group chat","crdt","mixed",-0.018,{"positive":32,"neutral":33,"mixed":34,"critical":35},20,41,1,30,{"idea":37,"privacy":40,"design":41,"execution":43,"docs":44},{"positive":38,"critical":39},14,11,{"positive":34,"critical":18},{"positive":42,"critical":42},0,{"positive":42,"critical":34},{"positive":42,"critical":42},[46,42,34,34,18,42,34,34,34,18,42,42,18,18,42,42,34,34,34,42,34,18,34,18,34,34,18,47,47,47,48,48,34,48,48,46,18,18,46,48],2,4,5,"For the past 5 years or so I've been working on a ground-up redesign of Freenet, my peer-to-peer project from the early 2000s (now renamed Hyphanet).\n\nThe new Freenet has been up and running since December along with some early applications like River[1], our decentralized group chat and Delta - a decentralized CMS. Users have already started to build their own apps on Freenet including games, and we have some interesting apps in development like Atlas, a search\u002Frecommendation engine.\n\nArchitecturally, this new Freenet is a global, decentralized key-value store where keys are webassembly contr",{"problem":51,"audience":58,"pricing":58,"motivation":59,"time_to_build":58,"stack":63,"openness":73,"stage":74,"team_size":73},{"value":52,"source":53,"evidence":54},"Decentralized alternative to client-server web apps that concentrate power","maker",[55],{"id":56,"by":11,"text":57},"48229212","Thank you! > I wonder though, what is your idea of a future, where freenet plays an important role in most peoples lives? While I realize this is wildly ambitious, my goal is…",null,{"value":60,"source":53,"evidence":61},"Replace client-server web architecture that concentrates power",[62],{"id":56,"by":11,"text":57},[64,69],{"value":65,"source":53,"evidence":66},"WebAssembly",[67],{"id":68},"post",{"value":70,"source":53,"evidence":71},"Websocket local connection to peer",[72],{"id":68},"unknown","launched",{"praise":76,"objections":87,"requests":115,"questions":116,"alternatives":135},[77],{"value":78,"source":79,"evidence":80},"Commenters engage with the CRDT-style merge design","inferred",[81,84],{"id":82,"by":11,"text":83},"48228903","> Very cool project! Thank you! > Where can I learn more about this? If you don't mind watching a video I gave this talk back in March that should be fairly comprehensive:…",{"id":85,"by":11,"text":86},"48229842","This is broadly correct. > CvRDTs also need idempotence, so they can handle duplicate data. Either they are idempotent too (which would make it semilattice-like), or the network…",[88,99,108],{"value":89,"source":90,"evidence":91},"Name reuse from the original Freenet (Hyphanet) is controversial","commenter",[92,96],{"id":93,"by":94,"text":95},"48233071","nextgens","You're getting this wrong. He has forked the project (to something that does not share the same goals so \"fork\" is arguable here), took the name, the cash and the goodwill. We…",{"id":97,"by":11,"text":98},"48236350","> Though reusing the name for an entirely different project with a different codebase is disingenuous to say the least. Same project, same goals, and it's not even the first time…",{"value":100,"source":90,"evidence":101},"Anonymity goals seen as weakened",[102,105],{"id":103,"by":11,"text":104},"48231583","I wouldn't describe it as \"less anonymity\", it's more that the new Freenet gives applications and users different choices about anonymity depending on their requirements. I don't…",{"id":106,"by":11,"text":107},"48236007","> the _point_ of freenet was that you could anonymously share\u002Fstore information. As you can with the new Freenet, you just get a menu of options instead of being forced to use a…",{"value":109,"source":90,"evidence":110},"Reputation system may be coercive or centralized",[111,112],{"id":103,"by":11,"text":104},{"id":113,"by":11,"text":114},"48231431","Appreciate your feedback. > Reputation systems have been a theoretical idea for a while, but we haven't come up with anything sybil-proof without centralized identity management.…",[],[117,126],{"value":118,"source":90,"evidence":119},"How do the goals differ from original Freenet",[120,123],{"id":121,"by":11,"text":122},"48232139","How are the goals different?",{"id":124,"by":11,"text":125},"48238794","And yet I still haven't seen anyone explain how the goals actually differ. Interestingly, there seems to be very little overlap between the people giving substantive technical…",{"value":127,"source":90,"evidence":128},"How to handle mobile support",[129,132],{"id":130,"by":11,"text":131},"48229416","In principle but we don't yet support mobile except experimentally, in part due to mobile OS restrictions (eg. iOS apps can't embed webassembly).",{"id":133,"by":11,"text":134},"48230067","Yes, iOS is the main headache. The other issue is that people probably won't want it using their mobile network bandwidth in the background, but that's solvable.",[136,142,149,155],{"value":137,"source":90,"evidence":138},"Hyphanet",[139],{"id":140,"by":11,"text":141},"48228688","> Notably this project was conceived by a backroom decision to dump the original Freenet development team's work, This is a false narrative, from the Freenet FAQ[1]: Why was…",{"value":143,"source":90,"evidence":144},"Napster",[145],{"id":146,"by":147,"text":148},"48228975","hbarka","Is this similar to how Napster worked?",{"value":150,"source":90,"evidence":151},"Gnutella",[152],{"id":153,"by":11,"text":154},"48239841","Gnutella was decentralized like Freenet, but it's broadcast search approach limited scalability relative to Freenet's \"small-world\" approach which can scale indefinitely.",{"value":156,"source":90,"evidence":157},"BitTorrent",[158],{"id":159,"by":11,"text":160},"48250166","I'm not sure what you mean, Freenet is at least 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1,42],"48235706",[402,42,18,211,358,42],"48232801",[404,42,42,201,261,42],"48232938",[406,42,42,201,11,34],"48233133",[408,42,42,201,409,42],"48235911","SuperNinKenDo",[411,42,42,201,412,42],"48232978","raffraffraff",[414,42,42,201,415,42],"48236365","dyauspitr",[417,42,42,201,412,42],"48245718",[419,42,42,201,415,42],"48248752",[421,42,42,201,11,34],"48236694",[423,42,42,186,246,42],"48238229",[425,42,42,186,11,34],"48238827",[427,42,42,186,246,42],"48239638",[429,42,42,186,11,34],"48240733",[431,42,42,201,358,42],"48255843",[433,42,42,201,434,42],"48252839","FergusArgyll",[436,42,34,178,437,42],"48234250","ArneBab",[439,42,42,186,361,42],"48235499",[441,42,34,178,442,42],"48229373","dminik",[444,42,48,182,445,42],"48229475","thih9",[447,42,42,201,264,42],"48228888",[449,42,34,178,179,42],"48229025",[451,42,42,188,11,34],"48229287",[453,42,34,178,179,42],"48229310",[455,42,42,186,11,34],"48229379",[457,42,42,186,229,42],"48232129",[459,42,42,186,11,34],"48232242",[461,42,18,462,229,42],"48232553","project\u002Fneutral\u002Fnone",[464,42,42,186,11,34],"48232774",[466,42,42,186,229,42],"48235319",[468,42,42,201,469,42],"48230199","lallysingh",[471,42,42,201,11,34],"48230394",[473,42,42,201,474,42],"48230514","acheron",[476,42,42,201,396,42],"48231638",[478,42,42,186,479,42],"48229166","NamlchakKhandro",[93,42,34,224,94,42],[482,42,42,186,11,34],"48235073",[484,42,42,186,485,42],"48236869","abc123abc123",[487,42,42,186,11,34],"48237656",[489,42,42,186,485,42],"48238763",[491,42,42,186,11,34],"48238959",[493,42,42,186,485,42],"48246583",[495,42,42,186,496,42],"48247314","vitally3643",[498,42,42,186,11,34],"48247342",[500,42,34,501,502,42],"48229391","project\u002Fcritical\u002Fnone","pikdum",[504,42,42,201,505,42],"48230740","koolba",[507,42,42,201,508,42],"48231253","cheesecompiler",[510,42,42,201,191,42],"48231263",[512,42,34,178,502,42],"48231537",[121,42,42,514,11,34],"commenter\u002Fneutral\u002Fidea",[516,42,18,188,517,42],"48232659","cess11",[519,42,42,514,11,34],"48232711",[521,42,18,188,278,42],"48233190",[523,42,18,524,437,42],"48234234","project\u002Fneutral\u002Fprivacy",[106,42,42,514,11,34],[527,42,42,514,517,42],"48233290",[529,42,42,186,11,34],"48236429",[531,42,42,186,517,42],"48240930",[533,42,42,186,11,34],"48242467",[535,42,42,186,517,42],"48246541",[537,42,42,538,11,34],"48247149","commenter\u002Fneutral\u002Fprivacy",[540,42,34,541,94,42],"48232795","project\u002Fcritical\u002Fprivacy",[543,42,18,524,544,42],"48233151","SiempreViernes",[546,42,42,186,94,42],"48233212",[548,42,42,186,544,42],"48233814",[550,42,42,186,11,34],"48235939",[552,42,42,553,437,42],"48234223","other\u002Fneutral\u002Fprivacy",[555,42,18,556,557,42],"48233897","project\u002Fneutral\u002Fdesign","Alex_toani",[559,42,42,560,561,42],"48233661","other\u002Fcritical\u002Fnone","GJim",[97,42,42,186,11,34],[564,42,42,186,561,42],"48237926",[124,42,42,186,11,34],[567,42,42,201,361,42],"48235449",[569,42,34,501,570,42],"48231188","stackghost",[572,42,34,501,358,42],"48232814",[574,42,34,501,575,42],"48234111","pidgeon_lover",[577,42,34,501,409,42],"48235960",[579,42,18,524,415,42],"48236215",[581,42,34,541,582,42],"48238428","seany",[584,34,34,178,585,42],"48231166","miki123211",[587,34,42,514,11,34],"48231324",[589,46,18,188,590,42],"48229091","mweidner",[592,46,42,188,11,34],"48229172",[594,46,18,595,505,42],"48230804","project\u002Fneutral\u002Fexecution",[597,46,42,595,11,34],"48230911",[599,46,34,600,261,42],"48233126","project\u002Fcritical\u002Fexecution",[602,46,42,186,11,34],"48233257",[604,18,48,182,605,42],"48228215","Groxx",[607,18,42,556,11,34],"48229947",[609,18,18,188,605,42],"48230102",[611,47,18,188,612,42],"48228383","alun",[614,47,42,188,11,34],"48228971",[616,47,18,188,612,42],"48229176",[618,47,42,188,11,34],"48229325",[620,47,42,201,621,42],"48229933","thrance",[623,47,48,182,605,42],"48230191",[625,47,18,188,626,42],"48229294","nine_k",[628,48,18,188,629,42],"48228115","aleqs",[631,48,18,188,632,42],"48228244","dtj1123",[634,48,18,188,635,42],"48228308","cassonmars",[637,48,18,188,605,42],"48228853",[639,48,42,640,11,34],"48228945","commenter\u002Fpositive\u002Fnone",[642,48,42,188,11,34],"48228943",[82,48,42,644,11,34],"project\u002Fneutral\u002Fdocs",[646,48,48,647,629,42],"48229069","maker\u002Fpositive\u002Fnone",[649,48,18,188,650,42],"48229345","dave1010uk",[85,48,42,188,11,34],[653,173,48,182,654,42],"48228423","gustavus",[656,173,42,211,11,34],"48229023",[658,659,48,182,660,42],"48228058",7,"EGreg",[662,663,34,178,664,42],"48228253",8,"nurumaik",[666,663,42,188,11,34],"48228727",[668,663,18,669,670,42],"48230101","project\u002Fmixed\u002Fidea","blamestross",[672,663,42,186,605,42],"48230160",[674,663,42,186,670,42],"48230277",[676,663,42,186,605,42],"48230453",[113,663,42,514,11,34],[679,680,48,681,682,42],"48231707",9,"project\u002Fpositive\u002Fprivacy","adamfisk",[684,680,48,182,682,42],"48231722",[686,680,42,186,11,34],"48232022",[688,680,42,524,11,34],"48232086",[690,691,18,462,692,42],"4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