[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":578},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-49845172":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":28,"sentiment":29,"stance_mix":30,"scored_comments":34,"aspects":35,"strip":49,"post_text":51,"what":52,"said":87,"maker_in_thread":198,"shape":208,"grid":212,"attempts":541,"same_week":542,"maker_shows":433,"maker_hidden":570,"reader_version":571,"card":572},"49845172","Jev Plays Pokémon","Jev Plays Pokémon Red","title","Show HN: Jev Plays Pokémon Red","https:\u002F\u002Fjev-pokemon.vercel.app\u002F","jev-pokemon.vercel.app","pancomplex",1790346487,2026,282,124,161,4366,4,"legend","ai","game-playing agent","web_app",[24,25,26,27],"pokemon ai","llm agent","jev model","pokemon red","mixed",-0.252,{"positive":31,"neutral":32,"mixed":18,"critical":33},14,27,33,78,{"performance":36,"execution":39,"idea":42,"pricing":45,"design":47},{"positive":37,"critical":38},1,8,{"positive":40,"critical":41},3,13,{"positive":43,"critical":44},7,9,{"positive":46,"critical":46},0,{"positive":46,"critical":48},2,[40,37,37,37,37,40,37,37,48,50,18,40,40,40,37,40,37,46,37,37,40,37,40,37,50,40,40,40,50,37,46,40,40,40,40,37,37,18,40,37],5,"Hey HN! Wanted to share a fun project I've been hacking on. Given Jev can make decisions really fast (but not fast enough to play Doom yet sadly), I wanted to try and push it to play a more complex game than Tetris. So I went with Pokémon.\n\nI've spent endless hours playing this game as a child so building this was a ton of fun.\n\nI open sourced everything in case you want to hack on it yourself here: https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Fchristianmat\u002Fjev-pokemon\n\nThe game is being streamed live including the tokens and cost - hopefully we get all the badges and don't get stuck in a cave :)",{"problem":53,"audience":59,"pricing":60,"motivation":68,"time_to_build":59,"stack":72,"openness":84,"stage":85,"team_size":86},{"value":54,"source":55,"evidence":56},"Shows whether a fast, cheap decision model can play a complex game like Pokémon Red.","maker",[57],{"id":58},"post",null,{"value":61,"source":62,"evidence":63},"Streamed live with token costs shown; reported total around $1.65 in Jev requests.","commenter",[64],{"id":65,"by":66,"text":67},"49864073","nico","Wow, it looks like it was able to finish the game (or they stopped it), after almost 38hrs of play and a total of $1.65 in Jev requests Very cool proof of concept!",{"value":69,"source":55,"evidence":70},"Push a fast decision model to play a more complex game than Tetris, out of nostalgia for the game.",[71],{"id":58},[73],{"value":74,"source":62,"evidence":75},"TypeScript",[76,80],{"id":77,"by":78,"text":79},"49851628","tehsauce","For those curious how it works, it’s essentially a script that plays the game but uses jev as a source of rng to make it stochastic",{"id":81,"by":82,"text":83},"49853822","Jach","Yeah, there's a lot hard-coded into the typescript files that make this much less impressive than the other \"AI plays\" versions that have come and gone that play with less help.…","open_source","launched","unknown",{"praise":88,"objections":108,"requests":147,"questions":165,"alternatives":180},[89,100],{"value":90,"source":62,"evidence":91},"Cheap and fast decisions are impressive for the price.",[92,96,99],{"id":93,"by":94,"text":95},"49850957","gchamonlive","I think that misses the point of Jev being ridiculously efficient while maintaining adequate intelligence for automation tasks. We have to train our minds to filter out branding…",{"id":97,"by":94,"text":98},"49850979","For what it does, it classifies, orchestrates, operates and delegates tasks exceedingly well for its size and weight. It's ridiculously cheap and efficient, but if you can only…",{"id":65,"by":66,"text":67},{"value":101,"source":62,"evidence":102},"Interesting proof of concept for cheap, fast LLM decision-making.",[103,104],{"id":97,"by":94,"text":98},{"id":105,"by":106,"text":107},"49851011","solidasparagus","The cheap, fast and smart-enough LLM space has been wildly neglected. Jev is one of the few players truly targeting that space. And for a lot of people it is the first time they…",[109,121,136],{"value":110,"source":62,"evidence":111},"The harness does most of the work, with hard-coded pathfinding and milestones.",[112,116,117],{"id":113,"by":114,"text":115},"49857575","hbrn","Yet another absolutely fake demo where Jev is flipping the coin and harness is doing 99% of the work. The harness reads the ROM\u002FRAM, builds a collision grid, computes reachable…",{"id":77,"by":78,"text":79},{"id":118,"by":119,"text":120},"49849291","testaccount28","with such a fat harness, this is more like watching a walk thru play the game.",{"value":122,"source":62,"evidence":123},"Jev makes poor decisions and gets stuck in loops.",[124,128,132],{"id":125,"by":126,"text":127},"49849561","stusmall","This is so interesting to watch. For a couple minutes I was in awe of how quick and cheap it was. Then I saw just how bad the decision are and how it would get stuck in strange…",{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},"49849345","361994752","watched it stuck at rocket hideout for 10 mins.... let me check 1hr later to see if it can find a way out",{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},"49853975","DylanMerigaud","Struggles with loops show complexity isn't fully mastered yet.",{"value":137,"source":62,"evidence":138},"Not as smart as frontier reasoning LLMs.",[139,143],{"id":140,"by":141,"text":142},"49850779","osener","It is impressive, but all the hype and fake demos are selling it as a model that is as smart as frontier reasoning LLMs in the decisions it makes yet much cheaper and much…",{"id":144,"by":145,"text":146},"49852286","lukev","Jev is interesting in that it's much cheaper and faster than a frontier LLM. But I've seen nothing to indicate that the upper bound on classification tasks of a Jev-like model…",[148,155],{"value":149,"source":62,"evidence":150},"Image input so it can play any game without memory hacks.",[151],{"id":152,"by":153,"text":154},"49849868","avaer","I wish jev took in images so we could do this generically for any game, without memhacks. I'm sure that's coming. You could front this with an image -> text model but that would…",{"value":156,"source":62,"evidence":157},"A hybrid where a larger LLM sets goals and Jev executes moves.",[158,162],{"id":159,"by":160,"text":161},"49855780","jackbrookes","I've been watching GPT_Plays_Games on twitch and with Astra now it can beat pretty much all of them with very few mistakes, with vision only. One downside is that when…",{"id":163,"by":11,"text":164},"49849722","Like others have mentioned in this post, I think a mix of models like Jev for simple stuff + a smarter reasoning model for more strategic thinking is the optimal solution. This…",[166,173],{"value":167,"source":62,"evidence":168},"Does a PRNG in place of Jev give similar results?",[169],{"id":170,"by":171,"text":172},"49874963","Leynos","Does dropping a prng in place of Jev produce similar results?",{"value":174,"source":62,"evidence":175},"Is the character movement done by Jev or by something else?",[176],{"id":177,"by":178,"text":179},"49849808","djhworld","What's not clear to me on the video is whether jev is doing the button presses for controlling the character to move around. The \"Jev calls\" counter only seems to increment at…",[181,188,192],{"value":182,"source":62,"evidence":183},"Twitch Plays Pokémon",[184],{"id":185,"by":186,"text":187},"49855696","brenschluss","The seminal (lol) Twitch Plays Pokémon was twelve years ago, so just posting this amazing moment of internet history\u002Flore just in case folks don’t know or have forgotten:…",{"value":189,"source":62,"evidence":190},"GPT_Plays_Games",[191],{"id":159,"by":160,"text":161},{"value":193,"source":55,"evidence":194},"Frontier reasoning models playing Pokémon (pokemon-gym)",[195],{"id":196,"by":11,"text":197},"49849497","Frontier reasoning models do pretty well in Pokemon: https:\u002F\u002Fgithub.com\u002Fbenchflow-ai\u002Fpokemon-gym The interesting thing here imo is the cost and latency. So far we're at 4 badges…",{"comments":199,"answered":38,"key":200},26,[201,202,205],{"id":163,"text":164},{"id":203,"text":204},"49850861","Nothing fake here and fully open source if you wanna take a peek. It does make a bunch of mistakes, often. 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