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We use Stripe to make sure the card is valid and the charge is processed…",{"value":59,"source":60,"evidence":61},"Independent sellers and makers","commenter",[62,65],{"id":63,"by":56,"text":64},"5293465","Celery is our play on words (sellery), since we're trying to help sellers with e-commerce",{"id":66,"by":67,"text":68},"5294911","brackin","I'm part of a team building distributed crowd funding tools that focus on these problems for independent sellers. 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I see that you mention that you have had quite a lot…",{"id":122,"by":123,"text":124},"5296236","bobwaycott","That is very misleading marketing speak, to the point of lying. You (or your copywriter) just killed Celery's credibility.",{"value":126,"source":60,"evidence":127},"Security and PCI compliance concerns about card storage",[128,131],{"id":129,"by":101,"text":130},"5293591","I'm missing something. Can you explain this to me as if I were five? I'm really gun shy with anything involving my customers CC data, and I suspect others are too. Some of my…",{"id":132,"by":133,"text":134},"5293676","mikhaill","I second qeorge's concerns about PCI compliance and credit card storage. Futhermore, credit card processors and banks do not want to be on the hook for what happens when the…",{"value":136,"source":60,"evidence":137},"Charge-at-ship policy conflicts with deposit example",[138],{"id":139,"by":140,"text":141},"5294303","elliottcarlson","So this seems to go against what I read earlier where charges are only made when the item ships - but it seems the Boosted Board takes a $200 deposit instead of just saving your…",[143,154],{"value":144,"source":60,"evidence":145},"Support for non-US countries",[146,150],{"id":147,"by":148,"text":149},"5296504","sbassi","Why US\u002FCan only? I'd need something like this for Argentina.",{"id":151,"by":152,"text":153},"5293427","thoughtcriminal","Not so much emphasis with Kickstarter please. A lot of people won't go the Kickstarter route (non-US residents being among them). 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They seem to use stripe as their backend, so how is this different than me doing this with stripe on my own…",{"id":173,"by":174,"text":175},"5293952","shuzchen","No, you can create a customer token and that token will forever refer to the credit card details the user entered. 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