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I am…",{"id":56,"by":11,"text":57},"5839595","It gives you the same abilities as Webmin, but it is\u002Fwill be so much more. No need to fiddle around with config files (like Webmin) but at the same time it presents the…",{"value":59,"source":50,"evidence":60},"Non-sysadmin privacy-minded users who want to self-host",[61,62],{"id":56,"by":11,"text":57},{"id":63,"by":11,"text":64},"5839703","It is an operating system with a control panel, but the control panel is\u002Fwill be a lot more comprehensive than Webmin or analogous server management apps. Whereas Webmin gives…",{"value":66,"source":50,"evidence":67},"Respond to NSA\u002FPRISM surveillance by letting people host their own data",[68,69],{"id":53,"by":11,"text":54},{"id":70,"by":11,"text":71},"5839055","The idea is that it would provide an easy alternative to the services that are provided by these large companies, i.e. Google Talk (or whatever they call it nowadays) replaced…",[73,77],{"value":74,"source":50,"evidence":75},"Python",[76],{"id":53,"by":11,"text":54},{"value":78,"source":50,"evidence":79},"Ajenti (forked for Genesis, 0.6 branch)",[80,81],{"id":53,"by":11,"text":54},{"id":82,"by":11,"text":83},"5839085","Yes it is! 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This is a server administrator, isn't it? like old school Webmin for instance?",{"value":121,"source":91,"evidence":122},"Does not protect email or XMPP traffic to external recipients",[123,127],{"id":124,"by":125,"text":126},"5839578","ceejayoz","Self-hosted e-mail still has to get to its recipients. Most of us can't have a \"I won't e-mail anyone not on my own e-mail server\" policy. Same for XMPP - sure, internal traffic…",{"id":128,"by":125,"text":129},"5839013","This defends against the Dropbox part of PRISM, but hardly the rest of it.",{"value":131,"source":91,"evidence":132},"One-click installs seem hard to make secure",[133],{"id":106,"by":107,"text":108},{"value":135,"source":91,"evidence":136},"Certificate error on the site in some browsers",[137,141],{"id":138,"by":139,"text":140},"5839207","__voidcast__","Chrome is giving me a Invalid Server Certificate error on the site(I had to edit the https to http ). 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