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I'd love to hear any feedback\u002Fquestions\u002Fsuggestions you have, but specifically on the security model [1] I implemented, design\u002Fux (my design skills are…",{"id":60,"by":11,"text":61},"6842797","I had a lawyer working with me on that project, and he approved those texts. It is a bit of untested territory, so he might be wrong, be he's pretty confidence that this doesn't…",{"value":63,"source":54,"evidence":64},"No fees currently; future fees planned for verified accounts and ratings.",[65],{"id":66,"by":11,"text":67},"6843655","Currently there are no fees at all, but I'm planning on charging fees for verified accounts and verified ratings when I finish building the rating system (its pretty much MVP at…",[69],{"value":70,"source":54,"evidence":71},"Bootstrap",[72],{"id":57,"by":11,"text":58},"open_source","beta","unknown",{"praise":77,"objections":105,"requests":144,"questions":171,"alternatives":193},[78,90,98],{"value":79,"source":80,"evidence":81},"Useful, practical system that only Bitcoin enables","commenter",[82,86],{"id":83,"by":84,"text":85},"6842778","mcherm","That is interesting. I have some doubts about their claim that this escapes regulation of escrow services (it sounds good, but their argument may not hold sway with regulators).…",{"id":87,"by":88,"text":89},"6842769","nullc","This addresses some of the limitations of Bitcoin compared to classical payment networks— the lack of reversibility, even where you want it. I found the site super easy to use.",{"value":91,"source":80,"evidence":92},"Easy to use site",[93,94],{"id":87,"by":88,"text":89},{"id":95,"by":96,"text":97},"6843152","kennywinker","First off, this seems incredibly useful! Nice work! Second, on the FAQ page: > Help, I lost my private key! Can you recover it for me? > No. The private key only exists in your…",{"value":99,"source":80,"evidence":100},"Arbitration deters fraud",[101],{"id":102,"by":103,"text":104},"6843150","adrianwaj","Arbitration is good not so much because it cures fraud, but because it deters it.. like security guards or parental supervisors.",[106,113,121,125],{"value":107,"source":80,"evidence":108},"Arbitrator list suggests trust; dummy accounts possible",[109],{"id":110,"by":111,"text":112},"6843785","Anderkent","The arbitrarors list is a problem. It seems to suggest that they're all trustworthy, so if your seller just says 'ok lets go with this guy' you might just accept. Then it turns…",{"value":114,"source":80,"evidence":115},"Possible regulatory issues as escrow service",[116,117],{"id":83,"by":84,"text":85},{"id":118,"by":119,"text":120},"6844327","Zoomla","why not make it easy and call it escrow since that's what it looks like it is?",{"value":122,"source":80,"evidence":123},"Private key in URL may be sent to server",[124],{"id":95,"by":96,"text":97},{"value":126,"source":80,"evidence":127},"Broken pages and 404s, outdated bounty",[128,132,136,140],{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},"6843108","VMG","Weird, I was thinking about this kind of application for the last few days (unfortunately many good domains are squatted, e.g cointract) I imagined being able to set the arbiter…",{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},"6843302","tetrep","i think you're bug bounty (bottom of security page) is a little out of date... We welcome security audits and offer a bounty of 1 BTC for responsibly disclosing security issues…",{"id":137,"by":138,"text":139},"6843174","cypherpunks01","I'm getting a 404 on https:\u002F\u002Fwww.bitrated.com\u002Ftx\u002Fnew.js and the start transaction page is pretty much blank (probably a result)",{"id":141,"by":142,"text":143},"6843057","dewey","Just FYI: The \"About\" page is 404'ing https:\u002F\u002Fwww.bitrated.com\u002Fabout.html",[145,156,164],{"value":146,"source":80,"evidence":147},"Support multiple arbitrators (m-of-n arbitrators)",[148,152],{"id":149,"by":150,"text":151},"6843897","ryan-c","I'm glad someone finally made this. What do you think about potentially offering more complicated schemes in the future? For example, supporting say three arbitrators, requiring…",{"id":153,"by":154,"text":155},"6853112","arbitrator","Arbitration background in real life here. Love what you are doing and want to offer some feedback! Many times in larger transactions, parties will demand a panel where 2\u002F3, 3\u002F5,…",{"value":157,"source":80,"evidence":158},"Arbitrator reputation system",[159,160],{"id":110,"by":111,"text":112},{"id":161,"by":162,"text":163},"6843725","dunebug7","Firstly, great idea. I'm assuming there will be some sort of rating system for arbitrators in the future. That list on \u002Fu could get unwieldly. However, what's to stop an…",{"value":165,"source":80,"evidence":166},"API",[167],{"id":168,"by":169,"text":170},"6844410","atweiden","AUR: https:\u002F\u002Faur.archlinux.org\u002Fpackages\u002Fbitrated-git\u002F Any plans for an API?",[172,179,186],{"value":173,"source":80,"evidence":174},"What fees will the site charge?",[175],{"id":176,"by":177,"text":178},"6843541","reganrob","I see you're implementing an idea from https:\u002F\u002Fen.bitcoin.it\u002Fwiki\u002FContracts ;) What are your fees currently (as the site operator)? I've only found ... \"Fees: For its services,…",{"value":180,"source":80,"evidence":181},"Can arbitrators be identified via other social identities?",[182],{"id":183,"by":184,"text":185},"6843149","hosh","Awesome, glad someone is doing this. Are you going to be offering ways for arbitrators to tie in other social identity sites as a way for arbitrators to present credentials?",{"value":187,"source":80,"evidence":188},"Can the arbitrator be controlled by buyer or seller?",[189],{"id":190,"by":191,"text":192},"6868415","apo","What ensures that the merchant (or buyer) is not identical to, or controlled by, the arbitrator?",[194,201],{"value":195,"source":80,"evidence":196},"Escrow services",[197],{"id":198,"by":199,"text":200},"6843266","drcode","Looks nice, but does this do anything I can't do with my Citibank n-of-m financial transaction arbitration service? (kidding- thanks for another innovation that makes traditional…",{"value":202,"source":54,"evidence":203},"Nash-style mutual assured destruction deposits",[204],{"id":205,"by":11,"text":206},"6844270","Huh! I actually started working on a system that does something very similar, which ended up being morphed into Bitrated after a few people convinced me that it wouldn't work.…",{"comments":208,"answered":34,"key":209},22,[210,211,214],{"id":57,"text":58},{"id":212,"text":213},"6843156","Thanks. 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