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I worked on this with a couple of friends. We were looking at the number of views posts on the front page of reddit get and trying to calculate ad revenue generated by…",{"value":59,"source":53,"evidence":60},"Reddit users and image posters who want to earn from popular images",[61,62],{"id":56,"by":11,"text":57},{"id":63,"by":11,"text":64},"7405984","Yeah, it's basically our first stab at making an imgur like site with distributed ownership. We're aiming mostly at the reddit crowd right now but they seem to be VERY loyal to…",{"value":66,"source":53,"evidence":67},"Free to upload; ad revenue from AdSense is distributed to users, with a possible future cut; payouts only after $20 balance",[68,71],{"id":69,"by":11,"text":70},"7405989","If it takes off and becomes expensive to run we'll take a cut but right now we're just distributing all the adsense rev to users.",{"id":72,"by":73,"text":74},"7406704","chrissnell","Their site states that your balance rolls over to the next month when it's \u003C $20 and doesn't pay out until it reaches $20. Presumably they could make interest off of this \"float\"…",{"value":76,"source":53,"evidence":77},"Calculating ad revenue from Reddit front-page views showed top posters never get paid",[78],{"id":56,"by":11,"text":57},[],"unknown","beta","team",{"praise":84,"objections":108,"requests":160,"questions":199,"alternatives":215},[85,101],{"value":86,"source":87,"evidence":88},"Interesting concept of sharing ad revenue with users","commenter",[89,93,97],{"id":90,"by":91,"text":92},"7406091","Robadob","It's a really interesting concept, if it takes off it would be nice to see how it affects the types of content people are posting (whether having the incentive of payment pushes…",{"id":94,"by":95,"text":96},"7406887","ivanbrussik","I think you have a really good idea. I also agree that a lot of users would use an image sharing site if they know potentially they could make some money instead of none. There…",{"id":98,"by":99,"text":100},"7406736","atko","Awesome concept. It was about time someone made a system like this. As an avid redditor with quite a bit of useless reddit-karma, I'll give your site a try. If you were selling…",{"value":102,"source":87,"evidence":103},"Site design looks clean",[104],{"id":105,"by":106,"text":107},"7408069","Xcelerate","Cool idea! I really like the site design. Coincidentally enough, the color scheme and flat design style looks almost exactly like something I'm working on haha",[109,120,139,149],{"value":110,"source":87,"evidence":111},"Slow image loading compared to Imgur",[112,116],{"id":113,"by":114,"text":115},"7406162","ttsda","A good thing about imgur is that images load very quickly. I am not getting the same experience from your website. http:\u002F\u002Fimgur.com\u002F99kuTjE took 3000ms to load,…",{"id":117,"by":118,"text":119},"7406305","therealmarv","Concept is interesting. I'm a photographer... is this thing worth it? How many views do I need to generate 1 US Dollar? BUT you site is too slow. I will not predict a bright…",{"value":121,"source":87,"evidence":122},"Copyright and DMCA liability for paid user uploads",[123,127,131,135],{"id":124,"by":125,"text":126},"7406081","Splendor","What's your plan to handle instances where users generate ad revenue from images they don't own?",{"id":128,"by":129,"text":130},"7406148","dalek2point3","basically, you're soon going run into the same problem as Youtube, i.e. having to create your own ContentID system. This should be feasible through something like tineye.com, but…",{"id":132,"by":133,"text":134},"7406499","halayli","DMCA and Ad compliance are core to the business model. They cannot be ignored by pointing your users to this link.",{"id":136,"by":137,"text":138},"7407115","dublinben","Manual verification like that could very well make you lose your safe harbor protections under the DMCA and Section 230.",{"value":140,"source":87,"evidence":141},"AdSense may ban the site over a single inappropriate image",[142,145],{"id":143,"by":133,"text":144},"7406221","adsense or any ad server can block your account\u002Fdomain because of a single inappropriate picture. How will you deal with that?",{"id":146,"by":147,"text":148},"7406976","Blahah","Any idea why they got banned from adsense?",{"value":150,"source":87,"evidence":151},"Reddit prefers direct links that earn nothing",[152,156],{"id":153,"by":154,"text":155},"7406292","nacs","Not only that but they claim to be going after the Reddit\u002FImgur crowd but Reddit prefers and uses direct links to images; they rarely link to the full HTML page which is where…",{"id":157,"by":158,"text":159},"7406900","bratsche","This seems like a really cool idea! I'm not sure how well this would go over on reddit since they prefer direct-link images usually, but I love the idea. Good luck, I hope it…",[161,172,183,189],{"value":162,"source":87,"evidence":163},"State the revenue cut clearly during sign-up",[164,168],{"id":165,"by":166,"text":167},"7406108","MzHN","You could state that somewhere. I was assuming you take a cut and purposefully didn't mention how big it is.",{"id":169,"by":170,"text":171},"7406189","frakkingcylons","This is something Surfer is going to have to state clearly during the sign-up process to avoid being villified by the Reddit and Imgur crowd.",{"value":173,"source":87,"evidence":174},"Allow uploads without requiring signup",[175,179],{"id":176,"by":177,"text":178},"7406299","Jhsto","You get an internal server error if you submit the signup form on the front page without filling any fields. You should probably let people just upload their pictures without…",{"id":180,"by":181,"text":182},"7408863","swinglock","Why do you require registering to upload? You want it to be as quick to get started with as other services and on top of that you get to collect the ad revenue until they decide…",{"value":184,"source":87,"evidence":185},"Support in Reddit Enhancement Suite",[186],{"id":187,"by":170,"text":188},"7406204","Support for Surfer on Reddit Enhancement Suite will be crucial for this to do well on Reddit. Gfycat did this and it has paid off for them.",{"value":190,"source":87,"evidence":191},"Fix faster image resizing and EXIF rotation handling",[192,196],{"id":193,"by":194,"text":195},"7406096","scottw","Seems nice, but it seems to ignore the exif rotation\u002Forientation data... is that something that should be handled when the image is uploaded?",{"id":197,"by":11,"text":198},"7406173","Yeah, the first time it loads at a certain size it makes a resized copy so that's probably the lag you're seeing. I'll update so it does the resizing on image upload and see how…",[200,208],{"value":201,"source":87,"evidence":202},"How is ad revenue paid out legally and what transfer service is used",[203,204],{"id":157,"by":158,"text":159},{"id":205,"by":206,"text":207},"7408608","Kiro","How does the payout of ad revenue work legally? Normally you can't just write checks to people without either employing them or requiring them to have a company.",{"value":209,"source":87,"evidence":210},"How the site makes money and what cut it takes",[211],{"id":212,"by":213,"text":214},"7405981","state","Do you take a cut? How do you make money?",[216,226,233,239],{"value":217,"source":87,"evidence":218},"Imgur",[219,223],{"id":220,"by":221,"text":222},"7406383","pearjuice","Good initiative but it lacks severely. First of all you will face all sorts of intellectual property problems. Then, you will have to deal with adoption. Imgur users are often…",{"id":224,"by":213,"text":225},"7405937","Hm. Not sure I completely understand what's going on here. Is this supposed to be better than imgur? I'm always a bit leery of something that immediately wants my credentials…",{"value":227,"source":87,"evidence":228},"MediaCrush",[229],{"id":230,"by":231,"text":232},"7407202","Sir_Cmpwn","If you want to be in control of your own images, videos, audio, whatever: set up your own instance of MediaCrush. It takes less than 10 minutes and you have complete control. You…",{"value":234,"source":87,"evidence":235},"MediaGoblin",[236],{"id":237,"by":137,"text":238},"7407229","If you have slightly different needs, MediaGoblin is also a good choice. http:\u002F\u002Fmediagoblin.org\u002F",{"value":240,"source":87,"evidence":241},"Tumblr",[242],{"id":243,"by":244,"text":245},"7406710","julianwachholz","I see what you did there. 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