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Wouldn't a system like this be subject to virtually everyone finding the lowest price almost…",{"id":56,"by":57,"text":58},"7458075","pappyo","I thoroughly enjoyed my time bargaining when I visited Ecuador. I think I would have loved it even more if I spoke Spanish :). However I have a few qualms with this. 1. Most…",{"value":60,"source":61,"evidence":62},"Online shoppers and specialty online shop owners","maker",[63],{"id":64,"by":11,"text":65},"7458042","This algorithm is more relevant to shops where the products on sale aren't that widely distributed all over. It's more for the Shopify, BigCommerce etc speciality shops. It will…",[67],{"value":68,"source":69,"evidence":70},"JavaScript","commenter",[71,75],{"id":72,"by":73,"text":74},"7457902","tomd3v","To get the lowest price: setInterval(function() { $(\"#price\").val(0); $(\"#bid-button\").click(); }, 100); :) I like the idea by the way.",{"id":76,"by":77,"text":78},"7458082","mattholtom","Who needs to write code to get the lowest price? The floors are in the JS source.","unknown","prototype",{"praise":82,"objections":98,"requests":147,"questions":170,"alternatives":182},[83,94],{"value":84,"source":69,"evidence":85},"Fresh, interesting idea",[86,90],{"id":87,"by":88,"text":89},"7458064","alandarev","Nicely looking site, and fresh idea, though... The idea does not make any sense in my head. There is actually some research happening in negotiating AI, but they all focus around…",{"id":91,"by":92,"text":93},"7458145","kubiiii","Great idea, dissapointing proof of concept. There are many things to do to work out a bargaining algorithm. What is the price of a similar item in other online stores? What does…",{"value":95,"source":69,"evidence":96},"Nice-looking site",[97],{"id":87,"by":88,"text":89},[99,115,121,136],{"value":100,"source":69,"evidence":101},"Shoppers find the lowest price quickly, so the price floor is easy to reach",[102,103,107,111],{"id":52,"by":53,"text":54},{"id":104,"by":105,"text":106},"7458004","jblok","This is a great idea but I don't think it could work. My immediate tactic was to put in 10 dollars each time until I saw the price dropping barely any lower. It wouldn't take a…",{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},"7457976","NikhilVerma","The site assumes bargaining is anything but a social act. If you are going to bargain with a computer you will always enter 0 as the price you are willing to pay and see where…",{"id":112,"by":113,"text":114},"7458073","menriquez","dumb...pointless...the obvious strategy is just offer $1 until you reach the price floor.",{"value":116,"source":69,"evidence":117},"Lacks the human interaction and emotion of real haggling",[118,119,120],{"id":52,"by":53,"text":54},{"id":56,"by":57,"text":58},{"id":108,"by":109,"text":110},{"value":122,"source":69,"evidence":123},"Buggy input handling, such as negative and NaN prices",[124,128,132],{"id":125,"by":126,"text":127},"7457928","Nemant","I bargained a $1,800 sofa down to $87. My first offer was -$5,000. Maybe your algorithm needs to work on negative numbers.",{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},"7458069","dewey","Looks like it doesn't like our way of writing numbers. 0,01 - \"You got it for $NaN\"",{"id":133,"by":134,"text":135},"7457915","ashdav","Minor bug, if i type in a number and click 'add to cart' it says I won it for that number.",{"value":137,"source":69,"evidence":138},"Shoppers may abandon carts or be put off buying",[139,143],{"id":140,"by":141,"text":142},"7457793","onion2k","A clever idea on paper, but in practice I can't help but think users would wonder whether or not they got the lowest possible price, and consequently would abandon their shopping…",{"id":144,"by":145,"text":146},"7457924","samnardoni","I would never buy anything from an online stored that used this.",[148,156,163],{"value":149,"source":69,"evidence":150},"Randomize the price floor per shopper",[151,155],{"id":152,"by":153,"text":154},"7458484","JadoJodo","Interesting idea, but as others have noted, once it's known the game is rigged, it's just a matter of time before I find the price floor. Perhaps a random price floor for each…",{"id":104,"by":105,"text":106},{"value":157,"source":69,"evidence":158},"Stop the algorithm from lowering offers or accepting lower bids",[159],{"id":160,"by":161,"text":162},"7458324","joosters","Why does it let you lower your offer? e.g. 1st offer is $300, and my 2nd offer is $200. Yet at each stage, the website lowers its price. The algorithm shouldn't be dropping the…",{"value":164,"source":69,"evidence":165},"Make the game more realistic with other shoppers or real stakes",[166],{"id":167,"by":168,"text":169},"7458337","hoopism","If it was real-time and included other shoppers and the threat of not accepting meant the threat of loss... then maybe you have something. 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Amazon - I know they're fscking me, but they make it seem so reasonable, dammit.",{"value":198,"source":69,"evidence":199},"impassebreaker.com negotiation site",[200],{"id":201,"by":202,"text":203},"7459493","impassebreaker","Interesting. A couple of observations, from grappling with some of the same issues for our negotiation site. Definitely agree that you wouldn't want to share the seller's bottom…",{"comments":205,"answered":206,"key":207},7,4,[208,211,214],{"id":209,"text":210},"7458026","If you play with it enough, you'll see that it won't go down to the minimum in all cases. The algorithm will insist on what it analyzes the user will pay, and will prefer to lose…",{"id":212,"text":213},"7457797","Considering the % of abandoned shopping carts these days, I doubt if there's any lower place to go :) however of course you have a point. 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