[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":679},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-7664240":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":27,"sentiment":28,"stance_mix":29,"scored_comments":34,"aspects":35,"strip":48,"post_text":52,"what":53,"said":84,"maker_in_thread":218,"shape":220,"grid":224,"attempts":643,"same_week":644,"maker_shows":38,"maker_hidden":671,"reader_version":672,"card":673},"7664240","Betatype","A freelance site where clients pay $3,500 for prototypes","title","Show HN: Betatype - A freelance site where clients pay $3,500 for prototypes","http:\u002F\u002Fbetatype.io","betatype.io","_g2lm",1398733678,2014,285,142,53,2272,3,"legend","web_saas","freelance marketplace","web_app",[21,24,25,26],"software prototype","contract developers","fixed price development","mixed",-0.281,{"positive":30,"neutral":31,"mixed":32,"critical":33},12,42,6,38,98,{"idea":36,"execution":39,"pricing":42,"docs":45,"design":46,"privacy":47},{"positive":37,"critical":38},10,8,{"positive":40,"critical":41},0,7,{"positive":43,"critical":44},2,16,{"positive":40,"critical":18},{"positive":40,"critical":43},{"positive":40,"critical":43},[18,18,49,50,40,50,50,40,40,18,18,50,18,50,50,18,40,40,40,18,49,18,43,18,18,51,50,50,18,50,43,50,50,50,51,43,50,51,50,50],5,1,4,null,{"problem":52,"audience":54,"pricing":66,"motivation":52,"time_to_build":52,"stack":82,"openness":83,"stage":83,"team_size":83},{"value":55,"source":56,"evidence":57},"Non-technical founders with product ideas and freelance programmers","inferred",[58,62],{"id":59,"by":60,"text":61},"7664449","7Figures2Commas","It happens all the time. I have been involved in such businesses, and there are public examples[1]. Entrepreneurs who don't code do not need technical co-founders. There are…",{"id":63,"by":64,"text":65},"7664343","thejosh","Sort of offtopic, but has any non technical person launched a startup \u002F business without a technical cofounder? The company I work for gets people asking for quotes to build…",{"value":67,"source":68,"evidence":69},"Clients pay $3,500 per prototype; programmers receive about $3,140 after a roughly 4% fee on each side","commenter",[70,74,78],{"id":71,"by":72,"text":73},"7664434","jsankey","It's nice that the dollar figures are all upfront on this page, but it seems a bit strange to say \"Get a working, launchable prototype for $3,500\" when the client actually pays…",{"id":75,"by":76,"text":77},"7664870","kondro","4% doesn't seem sustainable if they're taking credit card payments. The best they can probably get to is around 1.2% transaction fee (if they've shopped around) and this is…",{"id":79,"by":80,"text":81},"7665905","sesm","Spotted a typo: http:\u002F\u002Fbetatype.io\u002Fwhyapply says: > All job postings are required to be as clear and specific as possible, and they're required to pay 1\u002F4 ($625) up front. This…",[],"unknown",{"praise":85,"objections":108,"requests":163,"questions":183,"alternatives":199},[86,101],{"value":87,"source":68,"evidence":88},"Interesting idea that fills a real gap between idea and MVP",[89,93,97],{"id":90,"by":91,"text":92},"7666188","zensavona","This is one of the most interesting things I've seen as a Show HN in ages... Awesome! I can't wait to see how this plays out, and how scared people are to tell each other about…",{"id":94,"by":95,"text":96},"7665034","guptaneil","This is a cool idea. I've been experimenting with a similar model for design. 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I don't want to send all kinds of details about myself when checking if a service is worth my time and I don't think I'm the only one.",[164,171],{"value":165,"source":68,"evidence":166},"Show live examples of what $3,500 produces",[167],{"id":168,"by":169,"text":170},"7664480","aculver","As someone who is a member of both of this site's target audiences, I'd be curious to actually see some live samples of products that were developed on a $3,500 budget. I think…",{"value":172,"source":68,"evidence":173},"Clarify scope, iteration and dispute handling",[174,178,182],{"id":175,"by":176,"text":177},"7664348","flippyhead","I'm sure a could read a bunch to find out your answer, but it wasn't quickly enough obvious to me (as a programmer) how you ensure the scope of work is actually equal to $3500 of…",{"id":179,"by":180,"text":181},"7664540","ApolloRising","Are you handling the escrow in a safe manner to make sure everyone gets paid? What is your dispute resolution plan?",{"id":121,"by":122,"text":123},[184,188,195],{"value":185,"source":68,"evidence":186},"How is escrow and dispute resolution handled?",[187],{"id":179,"by":180,"text":181},{"value":189,"source":68,"evidence":190},"What does the programmer screening involve?",[191],{"id":192,"by":193,"text":194},"7665798","k-mcgrady","What does the programmer screening process involve?",{"value":196,"source":68,"evidence":197},"Does the price cover iterations?",[198],{"id":117,"by":118,"text":119},[200,207,211],{"value":201,"source":68,"evidence":202},"Launchyard",[203],{"id":204,"by":205,"text":206},"7664817","bruceb","Cool but there are already similar services: http:\u002F\u002Flaunchyard.com\u002F They will help you focus your idea and one of their partners will build the prototype.",{"value":208,"source":68,"evidence":209},"Undesigned",[210],{"id":94,"by":95,"text":96},{"value":212,"source":68,"evidence":213},"builtFromIdeas",[214],{"id":215,"by":216,"text":217},"7664444","coreymaass","I run http:\u002F\u002FbuiltFromIdeas.com, where I build apps, generally for non-tech entrepreneurs, for $5,000. 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