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Perhaps we need to update our intro then, as I highly doubt that's true! Essentially, hyperledger is a decentralised set of servers (owned and operated by lots of different…",{"id":57,"by":58,"text":59},"8012985","feichtinger","Hi sorbits, Yes, you must have some trust in the ledger owner, although, as mentioned in another post, depending on the type of asset it may not be such as issue. We built the…",{"value":61,"source":62,"evidence":63},"Startups and organisations building payment systems","commenter",[64,68],{"id":65,"by":66,"text":67},"8010297","qatrix","I think it will be very useful for start-ups for who are hard and too much job to develop payment system. Maybe try it in the further:)",{"id":69,"by":11,"text":70},"8010446","Thanks a lot. Payment networks can be extremely complicated so we all benefit by working on the same underlying layer, as long as it is truly open. Please do and let us know how…",{"value":72,"source":51,"evidence":73},"Commercially supported premium consensus pool planned; core is open source",[74,78],{"id":75,"by":76,"text":77},"8010381","FatalBaboon","The answer lies at the end of the page: > premiumpool is our commercially supported pool. Restrictions and requirements for operating a consensus node are more stringent and…",{"id":79,"by":11,"text":80},"8010419","Thanks a lot! As the other commenter noted, our only plan to directly monetise the project is via a commercially supported premium consensus pool. However, long term we do plan…",[82,89],{"value":83,"source":62,"evidence":84},"Ruby on Rails",[85],{"id":86,"by":87,"text":88},"8012349","nessence","Hyperledger's home page talks about a protocol, pools, consensus, security, and decentralization, however, none of those features exist in the codebase. Proof of work and…",{"value":90,"source":62,"evidence":91},"PostgreSQL",[92],{"id":86,"by":87,"text":88},"open_source","beta","team",{"praise":97,"objections":112,"requests":134,"questions":153,"alternatives":179},[98,105],{"value":99,"source":62,"evidence":100},"Web page design is praised as clean and distinctive",[101],{"id":102,"by":103,"text":104},"8010358","drcode","Haven't looked into the product yet, but I have to say the web page itself is one of the most beautiful I've seen, from a pure aesthetic standpoint- No dumb animation,…",{"value":106,"source":62,"evidence":107},"Easy overview of accounts and transfers",[108],{"id":109,"by":110,"text":111},"8010301","poseid","nicely done! I like the easy overview on creating accounts and making transfers. i am wondering, when everything is free and open-source here, how is the business model?",[113,117,124],{"value":114,"source":62,"evidence":115},"Pool operators could alter ledgers without public record; no proof of work",[116],{"id":86,"by":87,"text":88},{"value":118,"source":62,"evidence":119},"Issuers can create and sell their own assets, so the system is not decentralised",[120],{"id":121,"by":122,"text":123},"8010648","mrb","\"there is no risk of a similar situation to the current fiasco arising\" Actually there is. The Ripple fiasco arised because the creator (jed) owned a large amount of XRP, and…",{"value":125,"source":62,"evidence":126},"Consensus pools are trust-based and 1\u002F3 faulty nodes can break guarantees",[127,131],{"id":128,"by":129,"text":130},"8011225","haberman","I am only a dabbler in cryptocurrencies, but let me attempt to compare\u002Fcontrast this with Bitcoin. Corrections welcome. Bitcoin is peer-to-peer. Anyone can join as a peer at any…",{"id":132,"by":58,"text":133},"8010053","Thanks for taking the time to read through! The wording on that could be improved a little because there's a bit of a distinction between total computing power and number of…",[135,142],{"value":136,"source":62,"evidence":137},"Real-world example of how a startup would use it",[138],{"id":139,"by":140,"text":141},"8010848","mkrecny","@danoprey @feichtinger First: congrats, this looks fabulous. Second: can you walk us through one real world example of how a startup might use Hyperledger to do something useful?",{"value":143,"source":62,"evidence":144},"Clearer explanation of the project and its URLs",[145,149],{"id":146,"by":147,"text":148},"8010032","tonetheman","Seriously I am too stupid to even know what this is... even after I read the FAQ. :(",{"id":150,"by":151,"text":152},"8010875","cjg","danoprey - it's not clear to me what the URL is for when creating a new ledger. 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