[{"data":1,"prerenderedAt":482},["ShallowReactive",2],{"project-9172135":3},{"id":4,"name":5,"line":6,"line_source":7,"title":8,"url":9,"domain":10,"maker":11,"posted_at":12,"year":13,"points":14,"comments":15,"rank_in_year":16,"shown_in_year":17,"top":18,"tier":19,"category":20,"subcategory":21,"format":22,"keywords":23,"reception":28,"sentiment":29,"stance_mix":30,"scored_comments":34,"aspects":35,"strip":43,"post_text":45,"what":46,"said":77,"maker_in_thread":194,"shape":203,"grid":207,"attempts":445,"same_week":446,"maker_shows":38,"maker_hidden":475,"reader_version":476,"card":477},"9172135","Make School","College replacement for founders and developers","title","Show HN: Make School – College replacement for founders and developers","https:\u002F\u002Fwww.makeschool.com\u002F","makeschool.com","DesaiAshu",1425920589,2015,116,98,209,2565,9,"notable","learning_science","coding school","other",[24,25,26,27],"coding bootcamp","computer science education","income share agreement","startup education","roasted",-0.29,{"positive":31,"neutral":18,"mixed":32,"critical":33},6,4,21,40,{"execution":36,"idea":39,"pricing":41},{"positive":37,"critical":38},0,3,{"positive":32,"critical":40},14,{"positive":42,"critical":32},1,[42,37,37,37,37,37,37,42,42,44,37,42,37,37,42,42,42,42,37,42,38,42,38,38,42,37,37,37,37,44,42,44,42,44,42,42,42,38,38,38],5,null,{"problem":47,"audience":59,"pricing":65,"motivation":45,"time_to_build":45,"stack":73,"openness":74,"stage":75,"team_size":76},{"value":48,"source":49,"evidence":50},"Alternative path to software careers without traditional college debt","commenter",[51,55],{"id":52,"by":53,"text":54},"9172343","CzechsMix","So what you're saying is we've found a way to fund education without debt to students or taxes, and the school has an incentive to get you internships so that you graduate with…",{"id":56,"by":57,"text":58},"9173557","dollar","Sorry, but 25% of a persons salary for two years is a ridiculous amount of money. With a first year programmer making $75-$85k this cost will be similar to college debt. Will…",{"value":60,"source":61,"evidence":62},"Aspiring founders and developers","maker",[63],{"id":64},"post",{"value":66,"source":49,"evidence":67},"Students pay with internship earnings plus 25% of salary for two years after graduation",[68,72],{"id":69,"by":70,"text":71},"9174920","Geekette","Seems odd that the actual cost of tuition is not stated anywhere on the site and discussion on it is vague; all that's stated is that you pay it with your internship earnings +…",{"id":56,"by":57,"text":58},[],"unknown","launched","company",{"praise":78,"objections":94,"requests":137,"questions":152,"alternatives":165},[79,87],{"value":80,"source":49,"evidence":81},"Funding model without upfront debt is appealing",[82,83],{"id":52,"by":53,"text":54},{"id":84,"by":85,"text":86},"9172631","ripb","I really like the innovative funding model, although intuitively it seems pretty high risk?",{"value":88,"source":49,"evidence":89},"Summer session students seemed driven and experienced",[90],{"id":91,"by":92,"text":93},"9172878","ajaymehta","Having met some of the students that went through Make School's summer session, I was very impressed. They seemed to be more widely-experienced and driven than your average…",[95,107,122,133],{"value":96,"source":49,"evidence":97},"25% salary share over two years is expensive, comparable to college debt",[98,102,103],{"id":99,"by":100,"text":101},"9173811","matthewmacleod","I'm suspicious for two reasons: 1. I struggle to believe that a well-rounded CS and engineering education can be squeezed into two years. Describing this as \"the future of…",{"id":56,"by":57,"text":58},{"id":104,"by":105,"text":106},"9172759","nmrm2","In fact, if your starting salary is 80k, this is ten thousand dollars MORE THAN the average college debt! And no opportunities to branch out of software engineering. Your…",{"value":108,"source":49,"evidence":109},"Two years too short for a real CS education",[110,114,118],{"id":111,"by":112,"text":113},"9172684","pnathan","> 2 month capstone project where you can build a startup or dive deep into computer science topics like artificial intelligence and machine learning. There is no deep in two…",{"id":115,"by":116,"text":117},"9173412","hackuser","It sounds more like a graduate program than a college education, a sort of Masters in IT entrepreneurship? As a college education, it shortchanges the students: * There is so…",{"id":119,"by":120,"text":121},"9173237","Alex3917","Great idea, two years seems like too long though. It shouldn't take more than 6 - 9 months to learn the basics of being a full stack web developer, with another 6 - 9 months to…",{"value":123,"source":49,"evidence":124},"Calling it a replacement for college is arrogant",[125,129],{"id":126,"by":127,"text":128},"9172227","codingdave","Sounds like a good program, at least from your marketing. But I would market is an alternative to college, not a replacement. It is a just a matter of word choice, but the word…",{"id":130,"by":131,"text":132},"9173342","rpcope1","I think I would far rather see this as a supplement to college than a replacement. I know it's in vogue today to claim that education is about \"job training,\" but I worry that…",{"value":134,"source":49,"evidence":135},"Tuition cost not stated on the site",[136],{"id":69,"by":70,"text":71},[138,145],{"value":139,"source":49,"evidence":140},"Make curriculum available outside the US",[141],{"id":142,"by":143,"text":144},"9173487","pskittle","This seems too good to be true. Are there any plans of making the curriculum available to students who are not in the US. Perhaps for a fee? You could reach a wider audience.…",{"value":146,"source":49,"evidence":147},"More detailed syllabus",[148],{"id":149,"by":150,"text":151},"9173952","sah88","Neat. Would be interesting to see a more detailed syllabus of what is covered when. Also is the 25% rake net or gross? 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Most people are probably better off going to a 4-year university and studying CS\u002Fengineering\u002Fmath\u002Fphysics or something, and the few who want to learn in…",{"value":178,"source":49,"evidence":179},"Coding bootcamps",[180,183],{"id":181,"by":159,"text":182},"9173070","fair what's the going rate for a developer boot camp these days? 10K or so? if their placement rates are as good as they advertise (I don't really have a way of know if they are…",{"id":184,"by":185,"text":186},"9172964","Kalium","I submit that bootcamps are creating this problem right now. Many bootcamp graduates have poor grasps of the basics of computing, which will tend to limit their skill and career…",{"value":188,"source":49,"evidence":189},"ArsDigita University",[190],{"id":191,"by":192,"text":193},"9174292","cottonseed","Reminds me a little of ADUni: https:\u002F\u002Fen.wikipedia.org\u002Fwiki\u002FArsDigita_University",{"comments":195,"answered":42,"key":196},2,[197,200],{"id":198,"text":199},"9174984","Founder of Make School here. I'm really sorry you had a bad experience with our online game development course :(. 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