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I didn't expect this from Apple, but it actually does look good with the Windows font renderer here (Firefox, so I assume DirectWrite), down to at least…",{"id":67,"by":68,"text":69},"9600847","MCRed","Thanks for the link to that page, which contains a large image of a screenshot using San Francisco as the system font. To me, it looks really great as a system font. The reason…",{"id":71,"by":72,"text":73},"9600865","justinph","You're right, Helvetica is and was a poor choice for Yosemite, even if you have a retina screen. It's not a screen font. Lucida Grande was a great screen font, but the boldness…",{"value":75,"source":60,"evidence":76},"Looks good as a system font on Retina screens",[77,78],{"id":71,"by":72,"text":73},{"id":79,"by":80,"text":81},"9599269","melted","I like it. It just looks \"right\" somehow, and it's more optically dense, so it'll look good on all kinds of screens as well. Picking Helvetica Neue was a bit of a brain fart on…",[83,98,113],{"value":84,"source":60,"evidence":85},"Looks clumsy, clinical or cartoonish in style",[86,90,94],{"id":87,"by":88,"text":89},"9600050","cpr","Is it OK to say the emperor has no clothes? I think this is an ugly, clumsy typeface, designed primarily for legibility in a particular small application (the watch). Now it's…",{"id":91,"by":92,"text":93},"9600850","fuzz_junket","It's probably a personal aesthetic, but the variable stroke widths make it look cartoony. It's also got a tendency to big loops — the a, p, h, and g in the sample all have very…",{"id":95,"by":96,"text":97},"9601394","derefr","The statement that it's \"like a Starship Enterprise\" in that screenshot hit on exactly how the system-font-ization looks to me. It feels clinical somehow. It's definitely not a…",{"value":99,"source":60,"evidence":100},"Too similar to existing fonts like FF DIN and Helvetica",[101,105,109],{"id":102,"by":103,"text":104},"9599515","themartorana","Is it common for type faces to be so almost completely similar? SF looks nearly identical to FF DIN to my untrained eye, but even with tiny adjustments, it's bit more than…",{"id":106,"by":107,"text":108},"9599055","timothya","On a related note, here's a comparison between Apple's San Francisco and Google's Roboto, along with FF DIN and Helvetica:…",{"id":110,"by":111,"text":112},"9600669","sesutton","Maybe I'm just not very observant and\u002For a philistine but I can't be the only one that can't tell the difference between these fonts without looking very hard. I doubt I would be…",{"value":114,"source":60,"evidence":115},"Licence restricts use to Apple Watch app design",[116,120],{"id":117,"by":118,"text":119},"9600287","Aloisius","The Apple Watch Design Resources license where the font seems to have originated is pretty strict about using this font: Limited License. Subject to the terms of this License,…",{"id":121,"by":122,"text":123},"9599297","namuol","> The typeface is licensed exclusively to registered third-party developers for the “design and development of applications for the Apple Watch”. [1] Cool. Another font for web…",[125],{"value":126,"source":60,"evidence":127},"Show accented characters and non-Latin scripts in the sample",[128,132],{"id":129,"by":130,"text":131},"9599838","rdancer","This is a ridiculously incomplete sample sheet. Most of the iOS, OS X, and Watch OS users will need to display characters outside the non-accented English alphabet. Nerding out…",{"id":133,"by":118,"text":134},"9600703","According to the font info, the ones from the Apple website have accented characters for: Afrikaans, Albanian, Asu, Basque, Bemba, Bena, Bosnian, Catalan, Chiga, Congo Swahili,…",[136],{"value":137,"source":60,"evidence":138},"Is it legal to redistribute a font this close to FF DIN",[139,143],{"id":140,"by":141,"text":142},"9599617","madeofpalk","That is the one part about typography that has always confused me - San Francisco is clearly a variation of FF DIN. Can you buy a 'licenses' to use and make your own variation of…",{"id":144,"by":118,"text":145},"9600609","From a copyright standpoint in the US, you can copy the glyph outlines of fonts (usually some form of bezier curve or in some cases bitmap) without violating copyright. 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But there's something slightly odd about Roboto, I can't quite put my finger on it but it's like…",{"value":167,"source":60,"evidence":168},"FF DIN",[169,170],{"id":102,"by":103,"text":104},{"id":151,"by":152,"text":153},{"value":172,"source":60,"evidence":173},"Malmö Sans",[174],{"id":175,"by":152,"text":176},"9599765","Another font with very similar character is Malmö Sans (only regular weight though, bold has high stroke contrast) [1]. Typographic details differ (Malmö looks more dynamic than…",{"comments":33,"answered":43,"key":178},[179],{"id":180,"text":181},"9599108","very funny! 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