Legal Leaf

Productivity

browser extension

SHOW HN2018

91points
41comments
#481of 2,155 in 2018
Top 23%of 2018 by points

How HN took it

MixedNo clear lean

3 positive, 10 neutral or asking, 1 mixed, 7 critical, out of 21 comments about the project. Thread score -0.15.

Idea: 1 for, 3 againstExecution: 0 for, 4 againstDesign: 1 for, 0 againstDocs: 1 for, 0 against

The thread, comment by comment

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What HN said

What people liked

  • Interesting idea and useful concept

    From 3 comments
    • This looks really interesting! Two points: 1) A quick side-by-side of a sample Terms/Conditions versus Leaf's summarized version would be helpful. It would help me understand the…
      got2surf on HN
    • This is awesome! One thing: it would be really cool if clicking on one of the summary text boxes brought you to where the full details are approximately located on the page. That…
      tetchart on HN
    • Can it create a small faq based on the summary, e.g. q) What happens i upload a photo to this website? a) the website owns it and can use it anywhere q) what happens when i give…
      superasn on HN
  • Sample output or side-by-side would help

    From 2 comments
    • This looks really interesting! Two points: 1) A quick side-by-side of a sample Terms/Conditions versus Leaf's summarized version would be helpful. It would help me understand the…
      got2surf on HN
    • How about an example of the results it produces on your website? Might convince more people to give this time if you can show some output, given either a known T&Cs like Apple's…
      harryf on HN

Objections

  • Summaries may miss important clauses and mislead users

    From 2 comments
    • One concern that comes to mind if my company uses this: A user reads the auto generated summary but not the actual ToS, then does a thing that violates the ToS. The summary…
      geuis on HN
    • If this ever becomes the norm, we might see some attempt to obfuscate Terms and Conditions which might be really interesting to see. I'm also concerned by the fact this tool…
      jprissi on HN
  • Overstated AI/ML claims; it is mainly extractive NLP

    From 2 comments
    • It's a cool project, I just wish its capabilities weren't being misrepresented like this. It's currently just sumy, tokenization, and summarization. Like got2surf said, you'll…
      needcaffeine on HN
    • When you say machine learning...do you mean NLP text summarization?
      needcaffeine on HN
  • Tool did not work; spinner runs forever and output weak

    From 2 comments
    • I installed it and tried running it on your site, but it just showed the "summarizing" spinner forever.
      eppsilon on HN
    • Also tried it on https://www.humblebundle.com/terms (happened to have a bundle page open) - the output wasn't great. Coincidentally the bundle I was looking at is a bunch of ML…
      eppsilon on HN
  • Blockchain and AI buzzwords on front page

    From 2 comments
    • I like the concept, but using both "ai" and "blockchain" on the front page of your website triggers me.
      HaHa31 on HN
    • There's a claim that you use blockchain technology for your technology. How's it used?
      DoritoChef on HN

Requests

  • Show sample summary output on the site

    From 3 comments
    • This looks really interesting! Two points: 1) A quick side-by-side of a sample Terms/Conditions versus Leaf's summarized version would be helpful. It would help me understand the…
      got2surf on HN
    • How about an example of the results it produces on your website? Might convince more people to give this time if you can show some output, given either a known T&Cs like Apple's…
      harryf on HN
    • Can it create a small faq based on the summary, e.g. q) What happens i upload a photo to this website? a) the website owns it and can use it anywhere q) what happens when i give…
      superasn on HN
  • Link summary clicks to the full text location

    From 1 comment
    • This is awesome! One thing: it would be really cool if clicking on one of the summary text boxes brought you to where the full details are approximately located on the page. That…
      tetchart on HN
  • Publish as a Firefox add-on

    From 1 comment
  • Use lemmatization instead of stemming

    From 2 comments
    • This looks really interesting! Two points: 1) A quick side-by-side of a sample Terms/Conditions versus Leaf's summarized version would be helpful. It would help me understand the…
      got2surf on HN
    • It's a cool project, I just wish its capabilities weren't being misrepresented like this. It's currently just sumy, tokenization, and summarization. Like got2surf said, you'll…
      needcaffeine on HN

Questions

  • What happens legally if a user relies on a summary and violates the terms

    From 2 comments
    • One concern that comes to mind if my company uses this: A user reads the auto generated summary but not the actual ToS, then does a thing that violates the ToS. The summary…
      geuis on HN
    • Hey Andrew, cool product! I appreciate the work you all have put into it. I have a few things that crossed my mind: If the TOS can be summarized into a shortened version that is…
      sinab on HN
  • How is the summarization technically done and how is reliability improved

    From 2 comments
    • This looks really interesting! Two points: 1) A quick side-by-side of a sample Terms/Conditions versus Leaf's summarized version would be helpful. It would help me understand the…
      got2surf on HN
    • If this ever becomes the norm, we might see some attempt to obfuscate Terms and Conditions which might be really interesting to see. I'm also concerned by the fact this tool…
      jprissi on HN

Alternatives named

  • tldrlegal.com

    From 1 comment
    • Reminds me of https://tldrlegal.com, but i guess this has an AI component
      swyx on HN

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