Darklang

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#backend language#deployless#serverless#feature flags#low-code backend

326points
253comments
#88of 2,195 in 2019
Top 5%of 2019 by points

How HN took it

MixedNo clear lean

30 positive, 35 neutral or asking, 14 mixed, 67 critical, out of 146 comments about the project. Thread score -0.22.

Idea: 15 for, 44 againstDesign: 4 for, 8 againstExecution: 6 for, 3 againstPricing: 0 for, 5 againstPrivacy: 0 for, 2 against

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What HN said

What people liked

  • Ambitious project with interesting ideas

    From 1 comment
    • I applaud the effort for the project because it's really ambitious. The delivery at this point on the other hand makes me a bit skeptical. I've watched the hello world app a few…
      tiborsaas on HN

Objections

  • Proprietary language; reluctance to learn a language owned by a startup

    From 3 comments
    • Is there an open source version of the language? ...bc I'm not touching a programming language with a ten foot pole if it hasn't got at least two implementations, and at least…
      nnq on HN
    • > Dark is a holistic programming language No thank you. There's zero chance I'm going to learn and build anything in a language owned by a startup.
      thesausageking on HN
    • They are 'allowing' people into a private beta of a programming language? Coupled with the fact it is not open source and has a bunch of fad ad-tech videos on the front page this…
      jamesb93 on HN
  • Database abstraction may not scale; no joins or transactions

    From 1 comment
    • How confident are you that your database abstraction is going to fulfill the needs of someone with anything more than a few trivial query workloads? I didn't hear much about the…
      ryanworl on HN
  • Lock-in and walled garden concerns

    From 2 comments
    • Who is this for exactly? I don't see how the target can be entirely non-technical people, since this still assumes some knowledge around…
      md5person on HN
    • We have no insight as to what the actual costs of running the infrastructure is. Dark can basically ask for any numbers they want and you'd have to pay it if you build something…
      tmikaeld on HN
  • Security not emphasized on site

    From 1 comment
    • What scares me is that their whole site doesn't mention the word "security" once. Also "testing" is in the FAQ as a "we're working on it"-item.
      tnolet on HN
  • Unclear target audience

    From 2 comments
    • Who is this for exactly? I don't see how the target can be entirely non-technical people, since this still assumes some knowledge around…
      md5person on HN
    • I think the fact it maintains the "backend/frontend" separation makes it an awkward product solution imo. Dark being a proprietary language means most "experienced" or…
      carlosdp on HN

Requests

  • Light mode support

    From 1 comment
    • Does (or will) Dark have a light mode? Given the name and seeing the dark mode screenshots in the article, I wonder. This is an honest worry for an older developer like me. When…
      Stratoscope on HN
  • Open source version of the language

    From 1 comment
    • Is there an open source version of the language? ...bc I'm not touching a programming language with a ten foot pole if it hasn't got at least two implementations, and at least…
      nnq on HN
  • Example-based testing and callgraph views

    From 1 comment
    • Great suggestions, you'll be happy to know many of these are on the roadmap, and some have already been done! > Have multiple projectional views of the system, Some amount of…
      pbiggar on HN

Questions

  • Is there an open source version?

    From 1 comment
    • Is there an open source version of the language? ...bc I'm not touching a programming language with a ten foot pole if it hasn't got at least two implementations, and at least…
      nnq on HN
  • What is the pricing structure?

    From 1 comment
    • I got the email, and read through the post, it seems awesome. I remember the original HN post and am excited to see the progress. I have a few random questions. 1. What is the…
      andrewnc on HN
  • How does version management work?

    From 1 comment
    • How does version management work with dark? Do I get access to the "raw text files"?
      fernandohur on HN
  • Does it scale and support joins and transactions?

    From 1 comment
    • How confident are you that your database abstraction is going to fulfill the needs of someone with anything more than a few trivial query workloads? I didn't hear much about the…
      ryanworl on HN

Alternatives named

  • Netlify

    From 1 comment
    • > willing to sacrifice the ecosystem you get from open-source/widely adopted languages/frameworks for a marginal amount of convenience over something like Netlify Obviously, no…
      pbiggar on HN
  • Parse

    From 1 comment
    • I'm recalling the disaster that was the Parse framework. What makes this any different?
      harebear on HN
  • No-code/low-code solutions

    From 1 comment
    • I think the fact it maintains the "backend/frontend" separation makes it an awkward product solution imo. Dark being a proprietary language means most "experienced" or…
      carlosdp on HN
  • Zapier

    From 1 comment
    • Thank you for the kind words! > The one thing that didn't get covered in the "Dark in action" video that should have is where do the twilio/slack tokens get stored? I'm sure…
      pbiggar on HN

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