GPT-4 Reverse Turing Test

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1 positive, 39 neutral or asking, 3 mixed, 9 critical, out of 52 comments about the project. Thread score -0.18.

Execution: 1 for, 5 againstIdea: 0 for, 4 against

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What people liked

  • Creative idea and fun demo

    From 1 comment
    • Haven’t LLMs been shown to be able to identify its own output vs not accurately? So this isn’t testing GPTs ability to evaluate a candidate against the Turing test so much as its…
      vlovich123 on HN

Objections

  • Test is not interactive and differs from Turing's imitation game

    From 2 comments
    • This is sort of interesting but it’s not interactive. Turing’s imitation game is not a written test, it’s a game, sort of like the Werewolf party game. Its difficulty is going to…
      skybrian on HN
    • The "Turing Test", as we talk about today, is a very simplified take on what Turing described, probably in an effort to pass it. You can read his original paper here [1]. In the…
      somenameforme on HN
  • Grammar and spelling give away human answers, so the test is weak

    From 1 comment
    • Your grammar and spelling aren’t perfect, so that’s a dead giveaway. I wonder what the result would have been if you used perfect grammar and/or GPT intentionally injected some…
      IAmGraydon on HN
  • GPT may just recognise its own output, so the test measures detection not Turing judgment

    From 2 comments
    • Haven’t LLMs been shown to be able to identify its own output vs not accurately? So this isn’t testing GPTs ability to evaluate a candidate against the Turing test so much as its…
      vlovich123 on HN
    • Doesn’t this just boil down to whether GPT can distinguish between human written answers and GPT written ones? The actual questions don’t matter at all. It doesn’t seem like a…
      ec109685 on HN

Requests

  • Use trivia or harder questions to distinguish LLM from human

    From 1 comment
    • I was hoping this would feature GPT-4 trying to distinguish between an LLM and a human pretending to be an LLM. If it were me, I'd switch focus and instead of asking "what is…
      dmurray on HN
  • Tell GPT-4 the goal is passing a Turing test or use an older model

    From 2 comments
    • I'm not clear whether they asked GPT4 to pretend to be human or not? I think telling it it's goal was to pass a Turing Test would have a significant effect on it's answers.
      andybak on HN
    • Maybe try getting an older GPT-3 model that is just trained to predict text to do it rather than the new one which is trained to tell you that it’s an AI. I wouldn’t be surprised…
      circuit10 on HN

Questions

  • Was the tester told it was evaluating a Turing test?

    From 2 comments
    • Is it just me, or is it unfair that ChatGPT doesn't know it's being tested?
      vagab0nd on HN
    • I'm not clear whether they asked GPT4 to pretend to be human or not? I think telling it it's goal was to pass a Turing Test would have a significant effect on it's answers.
      andybak on HN

Alternatives named

  • Voight-Kampff test from Blade Runner

    From 1 comment
    • I guess the turning test won't cut it anymore, we should use the Voight-Kampff test.
      number6 on HN

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