JavaScript-RGB-Password
Security and privacy
password entry verification
SHOW HN2012
How HN took it
2 positive, 19 neutral or asking, 3 mixed, 12 critical, out of 36 comments about the project. Thread score -0.26.
Privacy: 0 for, 7 againstIdea: 2 for, 3 againstDesign: 0 for, 2 against
The thread, comment by comment
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What HN said
What people liked
Useful idea for catching typos in password fields
From 2 comments
Between stupid complexity requirements and "you can't repeat that password", I end up with "password" on one site, "Password1" on another, and "Password1!" on yet another.…
mkopinsky on HNI think a better usage would be to show two patterns - one of the password being entered and another for the password on file. Salt the passwords obviously before generating a…
huhtenberg on HN
Objections
Colors leak information per keystroke, enabling brute force by shoulder surfing or video
From 3 comments
Nice. Note, though, that accurately capturing the colors will let a bad guy brute-force the password one character at a time, which is trivial. Don't use this if you're worried…
JoachimSchipper on HNAssuming I record the colours generated when each character is entered, then I have a hash of just the first character. Cracking that is trivial. Then I can go and crack the…
CJefferson on HNThat reduces the problem to brute-forcing the first four characters...
JoachimSchipper on HN
Reduces security and is not useful; client-side code cannot be rate limited
From 2 comments
This is cool, but ultimately worthless- even detrimental to security. The only problem this could possibly solve is that user has to wait for a reload before trying their…
ebzlo on HNAnd importantly, you can't rate limit client site JS like you can server-side with captchas etc.
skattyadz on HN
Color-blind users may not distinguish colors
From 2 comments
Why not do this with hieroglyphs instead of colours? I have deuteranomaly and colours don't work for me. I remember reading %10 of male population has some kind of colour…
LaaT on HNDeficiency doesn't mean that he sees colours diminished in hue value, but exactly that he wouldn't be able to distinguish between some colours.
mrleinad on HN
Showing a password hash pattern to others would leak information
From 1 comment
The idea is nice but in theory but that would be a _huge_ security risk. You'd be providing anyone you know with your encrypted password, as well as the encryption method.
stanmancan on HN
Requests
Delay display until typing stops
From 3 comments
Perhaps adding a short delay (under a second) after the last keystroke before refreshing the image would make this much more secure.
rodh on HNI think a better solution would be to only show the colour hash after there hasn't been a keypress in a few seconds. This would likely be a pretty good way of making sure you…
burgerbrain on HNYou could delay the display of the color pattern until the user has stopped keying for a second or so. That way, the shoulder surfer would not get incremental versions to work…
cynwoody on HN
Use shapes or characters instead of colors
From 2 comments
Why not do this with hieroglyphs instead of colours? I have deuteranomaly and colours don't work for me. I remember reading %10 of male population has some kind of colour…
LaaT on HNThat's a nicer idea. Or to generate some kind of character / robot.
skattyadz on HN
Add a show password toggle instead
From 2 comments
Of course, my preferred solution to this problem is to allow the user to toggle the password field, so that they can view the unobscured text if they wish.
jawns on HNWouldn't having a "show password" option be a lot better?
astrodust on HN
Questions
What problem does this solve?
From 1 comment
I don't understand what problem this solves. Can anyone explain?
sambeau on HN
Alternatives named
Chroma-Hash
From 1 comment
This has been done before: http://mattt.github.com/Chroma-Hash/ Just make sure that the color thing is not reversible.
mping on HN
Arc90 HashMask
From 2 comments
Arc90 Labs had a similar thing around the same time too: http://lab.arc90.com/2009/07/09/hashmask-another-more-secure-experiment-in-password-masking/
palmr on HNWith more spark line: http://lab.arc90.com/2009/07/09/hashmask-another-more-secure-experiment-in-password-masking/
Maci on HN
Lotus Notes image password dialog
From 1 comment
Lotus Notes has been doing this for years with a series of images instead of colours. It's an interesting idea but I think it's more confusing than helpful.
charliesome on HN
Mozilla visual hashing
From 1 comment
Mozilla worked too on visual hashing: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Watchdog/Visual_Hashing Chrome extension:…
steren on HN