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SHOW HN2023
154points
82comments
#396of 3,109 in 2023
Top 13%of 2023 by points
How HN took it
MixedNo clear lean
6 positive, 12 neutral or asking, 2 mixed, 10 critical, out of 30 comments about the project. Thread score -0.13.
Idea: 3 for, 8 againstDocs: 2 for, 2 againstDesign: 1 for, 0 against
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What HN said
What people liked
Clear non-goals and stated goals in the docs.
From 1 comment
I love how they clearly state their goals at the beginning. This makes it immediately clear what it is about. Especially an importantly: "Non-Goals" "Change the way the Go team…
weinzierl on HN
Objections
Unclear what the project is or replaces; goals seem unrelated.
From 2 comments
I don't think the goals are explained very clearly. Or, to put it another way, after the goals were explained I still had no idea what it actually does or replaces.
jonathanstrange on HNI'm still a little confused after reading through the goals. It seems like there are a bunch of different unrelated goals: ``` - better js/wasm support - "platform native sdk" (I…
assbuttbuttass on HN
Removing GC and goroutines removes what makes Go distinctive.
From 3 comments
> No gc, No goroutines You're taking away what makes Go Go - you're now building something that turns Go into Pascal, perhaps unwittingly? Curly braces are what's left, basically.
baq on HNWhat is the point of Go without garbage collection and goroutines? You can use C.
DeathArrow on HNAt risk of derailment isn’t this a much better fit for Rust? I am saying this as someone who has used both extensively professionally and prefer Go in most cases. If you’re…
klabb3 on HN
Not a drop-in replacement for the official stdlib and not ABI-compatible with it.
From 2 comments
I think the confusion is caused by the notion of a separate library that is also “stdlib” - which is the version that comes with the official distribution. This comment is the…
jen20 on HNThank you for your suggestions, but I'm afraid the best we can do is to list packages compatible with both std. The problem is, in order to build a std, we have to use a lot of…
Leotard6963 on HN
Requests
Clearer explanation of the project's goals and what it replaces.
From 2 comments
I don't think the goals are explained very clearly. Or, to put it another way, after the goals were explained I still had no idea what it actually does or replaces.
jonathanstrange on HNI'm still a little confused after reading through the goals. It seems like there are a bunch of different unrelated goals: ``` - better js/wasm support - "platform native sdk" (I…
assbuttbuttass on HN
Better explanation of the custom goroutine and scheduler design.
From 1 comment
One of Go's big selling points is the avoidance of the "red-blue problem" (https://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2015/02/01/what-color-is-your-function/). The standard Go…
rogpeppe1 on HN
Questions
How goroutine-less concurrency works with FFI and blocking calls.
From 2 comments
One of Go's big selling points is the avoidance of the "red-blue problem" (https://journal.stuffwithstuff.com/2015/02/01/what-color-is-your-function/). The standard Go…
rogpeppe1 on HNCan you expand more on the ffi piece? Using CGO has never been fun. Will this expose threads and allow for C interop that is easier to reason about? Can I dream of using this…
maxmcd on HN
How memory is freed without GC.
From 1 comment
One thing I do not understand is if there is no GC then how are stack allocated variables freed?in vanilla go there is no way to manually manage variable lifetime. Does this mean…
ptsneves on HN
How it compares to Zig, V, Rust, or TinyGo.
From 4 comments
I'm glad seeing this, but without GC and goroutines, then I'm wondering why not use something like Zig instead?
ngrilly on HNGoroutines was the selling point for me until they decided to introduce telemetry in their toolchain; that was what forced me to stop using Golang as a whole. About GC, I would…
stefanos82 on HNAt risk of derailment isn’t this a much better fit for Rust? I am saying this as someone who has used both extensively professionally and prefer Go in most cases. If you’re…
klabb3 on HN> converge or diverge Neither, though the final result can be similar, but at project level, tinygo and pcz has very different approaches to achieve the final result: - tinygo…
Leotard6963 on HN
Alternatives named
TinyGo
From 1 comment
Reminds me of https://tinygo.org/ - a project that brings Golang to embedded devices, browser (wasm) contexts. Do you converge or diverge from that project?
tbiehn on HN
Zig
From 1 comment
I'm glad seeing this, but without GC and goroutines, then I'm wondering why not use something like Zig instead?
ngrilly on HN
V
From 1 comment
Goroutines was the selling point for me until they decided to introduce telemetry in their toolchain; that was what forced me to stop using Golang as a whole. About GC, I would…
stefanos82 on HN
Rust
From 1 comment
At risk of derailment isn’t this a much better fit for Rust? I am saying this as someone who has used both extensively professionally and prefer Go in most cases. If you’re…
klabb3 on HN