Zerox
AI
document ocr
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How HN took it
8 positive, 27 neutral or asking, 1 mixed, 17 critical, out of 53 comments about the project. Thread score -0.09.
Performance: 1 for, 6 againstIdea: 3 for, 1 againstExecution: 1 for, 2 againstPricing: 1 for, 1 againstDesign: 0 for, 1 against
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What HN said
What people liked
Vision-model approach handles layouts and tables well
From 2 comments
I used this approach extensively over the past couple of months with GPT-4 and GPT-4o while building https://hotseatai.com. Two things that helped me: 1. Prompt with examples. I…
hugodutka on HNIn my own experiments I have had major failures where much of the text is fabricated by the LLM to the point where I just find it hard to trust even with great prompt…
lootsauce on HN
Objections
Name too close to Xerox trademark
From 3 comments
I'm surprised by the name choice, there's a large company with an almost identical name that has products that do this. May be worth changing it sooner rather than later.…
8organicbits on HNEven if they don't sue, do you really want to deal with people getting confused and thinking you mean one of the many pre-existing OCR tools that Xerox produces? A search for…
8organicbits on HN> Are we really suggesting this issue is worth defending and spending resources on? Absolutely. Sure, sometimes non-competing products have the same name. Or products sold…
8organicbits on HN
LLM OCR can hallucinate or omit text
From 3 comments
Traditional OCR neural networks like tesseract crucially they have strong measures of their accuracy levels, including when they employ dictionaries or the like to help with…
tensor on HNIt's all fun and games until you need to prove something in court or to the tax office. I don't think that throwing an LLM into this mix helps.
surfingdino on HNIn my own experiments I have had major failures where much of the text is fabricated by the LLM to the point where I just find it hard to trust even with great prompt…
lootsauce on HN
OpenAI image pricing for mini is high
From 2 comments
It should be noted for some reason OpenAI prices GPT-4o-mini image requests at the same price as GPT-4o. I have a similar library but we found OpenAI has subtle OCR…
serjester on HNCheck gpt-4o, gpt-4o-mini uses around 20 times more tokens for the same image: https://youtu.be/ZWxBHTgIRa0?si=yjPB1FArs2DS_Rc9&t=655
Dkuku on HN
Requests
Support for local models
From 2 comments
I'd be more curious to see the performance over local models like LLaVa etc.
ravetcofx on HNI would really love something like this that could be run locally.
daft_pink on HN
Batch API support to halve costs
From 1 comment
Very interesting project, thank you for sharing. Are you supporting the Batch API from OpenAI? This would lower costs by 50%. Many OCR tasks are not time-sensitive, so this might…
beklein on HN
Better handling of multi-column magazine layouts
From 1 comment
The problem I've not found one OCR solution to handle well is complex column based layouts in magazines. Perhaps one problem is that there are often images spanning anything from…
samuell on HN
Questions
Does it produce a confidence score?
From 1 comment
Does it also produce a confidence number?
downrightmike on HN
How does it compare with Gemini Flash pricing?
From 1 comment
It should be noted for some reason OpenAI prices GPT-4o-mini image requests at the same price as GPT-4o. I have a similar library but we found OpenAI has subtle OCR…
serjester on HN
Alternatives named
Tesseract
From 2 comments
I think i'm missing something.. why would i pay to ocr the images when i can do it locally for free? Tesseract runs pretty well on just cpu, wouldn't even need something crazy…
ipkstef on HNI did this for images using Tesseract for OCR + Ollama for AI. Check it out, https://cluttr.ai Runs entirely in browser, using OPFS + WASM.
bearjaws on HN
AWS Textract
From 1 comment
I am using AWS Textract + LLM (OpenAI/Claude) to read grocery receipts for <https://www.5outapp.com> So far, I have collected over 500 receipts from around 10 countries with 30…
aman2k4 on HN
Azure Document AI
From 1 comment
Azure document AI accuracy I would categorize as high not "mid". Including hand writing. However for the $1.5/1000 pages, it doesn't include layout detection. The $10/1000 pages…
jerrygenser on HN
LLMWhisperer
From 1 comment
If you want to do document OCR/PDF text extraction with decent accuracy without using an LLM, do give LLMWhisperer[1] a try. Try with any PDF document in the playground -…
constantinum on HN