Howmanypeoplearearound

Security and privacy

wifi sniffing

SHOW HN2017

199points
47comments
#165of 2,242 in 2017
Top 8%of 2017 by points

How HN took it

CuriousMostly questions and neutral comments

0 positive, 16 neutral or asking, 0 mixed, 4 critical, out of 20 comments about the project. Thread score -0.15.

Privacy: 0 for, 2 againstIdea: 0 for, 1 againstPerformance: 0 for, 1 against

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What HN said

Objections

  • Many people have smartphones, so the count is inaccurate or only covers part of the population

    From 3 comments
    • Unrelated but how accurate is that 70% statistic? I would have expected that number to be much higher.
      olalonde on HN
    • Pew Research Center says ~77% US adults own smartphones. [1] The director at Pew also tweeted a breakdown by country which shows a lot of variance. [2] Thus, this script won't…
      qrv3w on HN
    • Probably not very accurate, regardless of how many people have smartphones. Unless you know how big that "around" is.
      helb on HN
  • MAC address randomization makes phones harder to detect

    From 2 comments
    • what about about mac address randomization?????
      mzakharo1 on HN
    • For iPhones this only happens when un-associated [1] so this script will probably underestimate the count in public spaces. Although, I'm not sure whether the randomization…
      qrv3w on HN
  • Routers and common manufacturer OUIs are mistaken for phones

    From 1 comment
    • Is there a better way to check if an OUI is being used by a mobile phone or a router? e.g. There are plenty of huawei/apple routers and if one of them is in your neighborhood,…
      irfan on HN
  • Sniffing others' wifi traffic may be illegal and raises privacy concerns

    From 3 comments
    • I think that'd be illegal under Misuse of Computers in the UK...
      alexchamberlain on HN
    • Actually, it doesn't appear to be illegal (but IANAL). The UK act applies mostly to trying to gain unathorized access to a computer system or network. If you put up your own wifi…
      peterwwillis on HN
    • Yes and no. Imho the issue at hand is that of a piece to a mosaic of over time and other sensor data. For example, an important piece of data to pharmaceutical companies is which…
      adolph on HN

Requests

  • Add Bluetooth support and correlate Bluetooth and WiFi MACs

    From 1 comment
    • Bluetooth equivalent would be cool, then pairing bluetooth and wifi MACs based on temporal correlation. If one changes you can infer from the other. Over time you could split it…
      contingencies on HN
  • Distinguish routers from phones better

    From 1 comment
    • Is there a better way to check if an OUI is being used by a mobile phone or a router? e.g. There are plenty of huawei/apple routers and if one of them is in your neighborhood,…
      irfan on HN

Questions

  • Why no signals captured on some WiFi chips in monitor mode

    From 2 comments
    • > $ howmanypeoplearearound > Specify WiFi adapter (use ifconfig to determine): wlp4s0 > [==================================================] 100% 0s left > Found no signals, are…
      d33 on HN
    • What kind of WiFi chip do you have? Make sure it supports monitor mode (if should list "monitor" when running `iw list`). Although, for reasons I don't understand, this may not…
      qrv3w on HN
  • Does it scan all channels

    From 1 comment

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