Find3

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indoor positioning

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An indoor positioning system for smartphones and laptops

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#indoor positioning#wifi fingerprinting#bluetooth rssi#indoor localization

265points
58comments
#109of 2,155 in 2018
Top 6%of 2018 by points

How HN took it

CuriousMostly questions and neutral comments

5 positive, 15 neutral or asking, 1 mixed, 7 critical, out of 28 comments about the project. Thread score -0.05.

Performance: 0 for, 4 againstIdea: 2 for, 1 againstExecution: 1 for, 1 againstPrivacy: 0 for, 1 against

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What HN said

What people liked

  • Works well and gives precise positioning within a home

    From 1 comment
    • Really cool idea, and it works really well. Was able to do very precise positioning in my house, even within a single room if given multiple references. Ultimately it drained the…
      tyldum on HN
  • Useful idea for home setups

    From 1 comment
    • Just be aware that the public server in the app has no access control. Your location will be published. You probably really want to set up a private server to use this in…
      nielsole on HN

Objections

  • No benchmarks or stated precision

    From 2 comments
    • The byline says "High-precision" but I could not find any benchmarks or scientific analysis. What does high precision mean here? How stable is it? What about privacy of the…
      llao on HN
    • Yep. Needs to answer what is the precision?
      consultutah on HN
  • RSSI is too noisy for accurate indoor positioning

    From 3 comments
    • Haven't read through the code yet, but the only thing I need to know is if these guys know what Rayleigh scattering is. If not, this probably isn't going to work so great. I…
      coupdejarnac on HN
    • Yeah, that makes sense. But that's not going to be very accurate. That will be accurate at the tuple space, but not down to the nearest centimeter in X Y coordinates or anything…
      coupdejarnac on HN
    • WIFI RSSI on its own is incredibly inaccurate. In our research (previous company) we found it performed decently well in an environment with little to no other devices and simple…
      agotterer on HN
  • Public server has no access control, exposing location data

    From 2 comments
    • Just be aware that the public server in the app has no access control. Your location will be published. You probably really want to set up a private server to use this in…
      nielsole on HN
    • The byline says "High-precision" but I could not find any benchmarks or scientific analysis. What does high precision mean here? How stable is it? What about privacy of the…
      llao on HN
  • Drains phone battery

    From 1 comment
    • Really cool idea, and it works really well. Was able to do very precise positioning in my house, even within a single room if given multiple references. Ultimately it drained the…
      tyldum on HN

Requests

  • Document precision and system requirements

    From 2 comments
    • Pardon the laymen’s questions, but my understanding of precision location is that it requires triangulation + accurate timestamps (the more accurate the more precise), plus with…
      gricardo99 on HN
    • Yep. Needs to answer what is the precision?
      consultutah on HN
  • Add filtering over time

    From 1 comment

Questions

  • How does signal fingerprinting map to physical space?

    From 2 comments
    • So, how does it get mapped to physical space then? As long as I am in "rssi tuple" space, I maybe know if I am in a place where I have been before, and I can learn the topology…
      konschubert on HN
    • >So, how does it get mapped to physical space then? don't quote me but i don't think it does. you basically go around and set up hotspots in rssi space that the server knows…
      mlevental on HN
  • Is the public server safe to use with personal data?

    From 1 comment
    • The byline says "High-precision" but I could not find any benchmarks or scientific analysis. What does high precision mean here? How stable is it? What about privacy of the…
      llao on HN

Alternatives named

  • Round-trip time (RTT) positioning with 802.11mc

    From 2 comments
    • > ...it requires triangulation + accurate timestamps... This system does not do round-trip time measurements (RTT) which I believe you are referring. RTT is different because it…
      qrv3w on HN
    • Yes you can do that but that runs up against the problem of "processing time" in the router. A router might process a simple echo request for +/- 1 millisecond. Since 1…
      qrv3w on HN
  • Google location via WiFi access points

    From 1 comment
    • Just check out https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/geolocation/intro#wifi_access_point_object Feeding it with BSSIDs and RSSI, it gives you a precise response with…
      sylwester on HN
  • Mozilla Location Service

    From 1 comment
    • There's also Mozilla Location Service – https://location.services.mozilla.com/ > […] an open service which lets devices determine their location based on network infrastructure…
      helb on HN

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