Hibiki HTML

Languages and libraries

frontend framework

SHOW HN2022

232points
139comments
#219of 2,570 in 2022
Top 9%of 2022 by points

How HN took it

RoastedHalf or more of the comments are critical

6 positive, 15 neutral or asking, 0 mixed, 30 critical, out of 51 comments about the project. Thread score -0.40.

Idea: 5 for, 12 againstPricing: 1 for, 6 againstExecution: 0 for, 1 againstDesign: 0 for, 1 againstPerformance: 0 for, 1 against

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What HN said

What people liked

  • Interesting idea for avoiding JavaScript tooling

    From 2 comments
    • What's old is new again-- this very much resembles Angular.js (ie Angular 1)'s strategy (not to say this isn't a valid approach given the constraints). Any notable differences…
      rezonant on HN
    • Looks great! Reminds me a bit of Stimulus (https://stimulus.hotwired.dev/handbook/introduction) in terms of philosophy and motivation, which I love using.
      shafyy on HN

Objections

  • Custom non-OSI license is a dealbreaker for many users

    From 3 comments
    • I really, really want to use this -- but I urge you to put under a regular MIT or (A)GPL license. Something that's proper F/OSS, please! As it stands, I can't incorporate Hibiki…
      notRobot on HN
    • The "modified MIT" license is a dealbreaker.
      rubyist5eva on HN
    • > It is licensed under a modified form of the MIT license (similar in spirit to the Confluent open source license) which allows you to use Hibiki HTML without restrictions for…
      SahAssar on HN
  • License restriction on customizable products is vague

    From 2 comments
    • > You may not use this Software to make any product (commercial, free, or open-source), software-as-a-service (SaaS), platform-as-a-service (PaaS), or infrastructure-as-a-service…
      henning on HN
    • The Open-Source-ish license is a bit of danger zone. > You just can't create a SaaS service offering a hosted version of Hibiki HTML or one that uses the Hibiki HTML language to…
      lf-non on HN
  • Tutorial page is blank without JavaScript despite no-JS claim

    From 1 comment
    • > Hibiki [..] lets you create [..] frontend applications without JavaScript Yet the website is a blank white page, without JavaScript.
      lunch on HN

Requests

  • Switch to a standard open-source license such as MIT or AGPL

    From 2 comments
    • I really, really want to use this -- but I urge you to put under a regular MIT or (A)GPL license. Something that's proper F/OSS, please! As it stands, I can't incorporate Hibiki…
      notRobot on HN
    • On licensing: I recommend taking a look at the PolyForm Project’s form licenses: https://polyformproject.org/licenses/. PolyForm Shield…
      chrismorgan on HN
  • Support standard web components and plain JS/HTML

    From 2 comments
    • Have you considered basing your work on standard web components? They also don't require any scaffolding or building to be used. Sprinkle some binding sugar on top using Lit and…
      difosfor on HN
    • No, don't follow the VUE path, don't add your own invented format. Let us just write standard js/html.
      tigrezno on HN

Questions

  • How does it compare to htmx

    From 1 comment
    • Sounds similar to htmx[0], which I like! I wonder if someone has worked with both htmx and Hibiki, and can compare the two experiences? [0] https://htmx.org
      harryvederci on HN
  • What does it provide over plain HTML and JS

    From 1 comment
    • I read the intro page and skimmed the rest of the tutorial, and am left this this: What does this provide over HTML/JS?
      the__alchemist on HN

Alternatives named

  • htmx

    From 2 comments
    • Sounds similar to htmx[0], which I like! I wonder if someone has worked with both htmx and Hibiki, and can compare the two experiences? [0] https://htmx.org
      harryvederci on HN
    • htmx is really cool, but definitely different. Hibiki is a lot heavier and so it is more appropriate for internal tools, prototypes, dashboards, etc. as opposed to fast/quick…
      sawka on HN
  • Angular.js

    From 1 comment
    • What's old is new again-- this very much resembles Angular.js (ie Angular 1)'s strategy (not to say this isn't a valid approach given the constraints). Any notable differences…
      rezonant on HN
  • Svelte

    From 1 comment
    • IME, scaffolding/config is overkill only if it complicates the developer experience. I stayed away from Angular, React, Vue, etc. because there were too many ways to scaffold and…
      turtlebits on HN
  • Stimulus

    From 1 comment
    • Looks great! Reminds me a bit of Stimulus (https://stimulus.hotwired.dev/handbook/introduction) in terms of philosophy and motivation, which I love using.
      shafyy on HN

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